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Willem Grobbelaar
 
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Default Re: OLAP running on 32Gb Server - 08-26-2005 , 08:51 AM






We currently only run AS on this server. We are planning on running
ProClarity on the box, but only in a few months.

Thanks, Willem

"Dave Wickert [MSFT]" wrote:

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What else is on the machine? Just AS?
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"Willem Grobbelaar" <WillemGrobbelaar (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
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Is it safe to use the /3Gb switch on this server? If so, would it help?

Thanks

"Dave Wickert [MSFT]" wrote:

The only comment that I have is that your Memory Conservation threshold
is
too high.
You run the risk of locking up the server since you aren't giving eniough
to
normal NT operations.You need some memory for stack space, the service
executable itself, and some other code not counted in the memory
allocation
pools.

With /3GB, I don't typically recommend setting the high memory above 2700
or
so; without /3GB I wouldn't set it above 1700 or so. Unfortunately it can
take time for the cleaner thread to notice that you memory use exceeds
high
memory and start triming back the other uses of memory so you need to
plan
in some leaway. While you might sneek by with 2765, setting it over 2000
without /3GB is playing with fire.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.


"Willem Grobbelaar" <Willem Grobbelaar (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote
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Configuration:
Windows 2003 Enterprise with SP1
SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Analysis Services with SP3a.
IBM 8-way Server with 32Gb of memory

I found an article saying that you should not use /3gb switch when
running
16Gb or more: http://www.sql-server-performance.com/awe_memory.asp
I worked through the AS performance quide
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../ansvcspg.mspx
but could not find anything to help me configure AS on a 16Gb+
configuration
when not using the /3gb switch.

I did change the following settings in OLAP - default value in bracket:
Memory conservation threshold = 2046 (1023)
Read-ahead buffer size = 64 (4)
Process buffer size = 200 (32)

We still experience delayed response when browsing cubes from
ProClarity
server, receiving a timeout now and then. This response is irratic.
It
does respond quick, but sometimes, for a few minutes, it slows down and
sometimes with timeout error. Running the same request again later
response
quick, not changing or restarting anything.
On our IBM 4-way, 4Gb memory, /3Gb switch with Memory conservation
threshold
= 2765 it worked great. Other AS settings were set the same as now.
We
replaced the AS server the weekend.

Any ideas?

Thanks








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Dave Wickert [MSFT]
 
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Default Re: OLAP running on 32Gb Server - 08-26-2005 , 11:37 AM






Ok, I just see a waste of 28GB as AS is not AWE enabled. You won't be able
to use more than 4GB (3GB for AS; 1GB for Windows and its associated
processes).

You should turn on /3GB. When you do, you might find your hardware platform
limits memory being 16GB. This is because when you steal the extra 1GB from
the OS and give it to user-mode processes; the OS is now limited in the
number of PTE (page table entries) that it can maintain.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"Willem Grobbelaar" <WillemGrobbelaar (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:0C2B062E-8101-49A4-A952-E548DBA844AB (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Quote:
We currently only run AS on this server. We are planning on running
ProClarity on the box, but only in a few months.

Thanks, Willem

"Dave Wickert [MSFT]" wrote:

What else is on the machine? Just AS?
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.


"Willem Grobbelaar" <WillemGrobbelaar (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:05EB0AFE-4E50-49A4-8D63-2737E2B54F35 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Is it safe to use the /3Gb switch on this server? If so, would it
help?

Thanks

"Dave Wickert [MSFT]" wrote:

The only comment that I have is that your Memory Conservation
threshold
is
too high.
You run the risk of locking up the server since you aren't giving
eniough
to
normal NT operations.You need some memory for stack space, the service
executable itself, and some other code not counted in the memory
allocation
pools.

With /3GB, I don't typically recommend setting the high memory above
2700
or
so; without /3GB I wouldn't set it above 1700 or so. Unfortunately it
can
take time for the cleaner thread to notice that you memory use exceeds
high
memory and start triming back the other uses of memory so you need to
plan
in some leaway. While you might sneek by with 2765, setting it over
2000
without /3GB is playing with fire.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.


"Willem Grobbelaar" <Willem Grobbelaar (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com
wrote
in
message news:32B39D41-A78C-4673-A5CA-CF14E5AE82C8 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Configuration:
Windows 2003 Enterprise with SP1
SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Analysis Services with SP3a.
IBM 8-way Server with 32Gb of memory

I found an article saying that you should not use /3gb switch when
running
16Gb or more: http://www.sql-server-performance.com/awe_memory.asp
I worked through the AS performance quide
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../ansvcspg.mspx
but could not find anything to help me configure AS on a 16Gb+
configuration
when not using the /3gb switch.

I did change the following settings in OLAP - default value in
bracket:
Memory conservation threshold = 2046 (1023)
Read-ahead buffer size = 64 (4)
Process buffer size = 200 (32)

We still experience delayed response when browsing cubes from
ProClarity
server, receiving a timeout now and then. This response is irratic.
It
does respond quick, but sometimes, for a few minutes, it slows down
and
sometimes with timeout error. Running the same request again later
response
quick, not changing or restarting anything.
On our IBM 4-way, 4Gb memory, /3Gb switch with Memory conservation
threshold
= 2765 it worked great. Other AS settings were set the same as now.
We
replaced the AS server the weekend.

Any ideas?

Thanks










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