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Default MSAS 2gb/3gb limit... - 09-16-2005 , 02:23 PM






Is the 2gb/3gb limit physical memory or virtual memory?

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Default Re: MSAS 2gb/3gb limit... - 09-17-2005 , 12:29 AM






The 2/3 Gb limit (depending on how your boot.ini file is configured)
affects the total addressable memory space. So that probably be what you
mean when you say virtual memory.

That is, if you have a 32bit box with more than 3Gb of physical RAM AS2K
can still only address (use) a maximum of 3Gb.

The only way to get over this limit is to use a 64bit operating system.

The other thing to note on this is that for the dimension cache, AS2k
can launch a separate process called VLDM (very-large-dimension-manager)
that can give you an addition 2Gb of memory for large dimensions at the
cost of some performance for inter-process communication.

--
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Darren Gosbell [MCSD]
<dgosbell_at_yahoo_dot_com>
Blog: http://www.geekswithblogs.net/darrengosbell

In article <E1A4F4BA-7843-46DC-98B1-A53ABDF6EA6D (AT) microsoft (DOT) com>,
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Is the 2gb/3gb limit physical memory or virtual memory?

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Default Re: MSAS 2gb/3gb limit... - 09-19-2005 , 12:59 PM



Thanks for the response…

To be more specific… What I’m asking is if the MSAS 2/3gb limit (3gb with
the /3gb switch in the boot.ini) is related to only physical memory or total
virtual memory. Virtual being (physical + pagefile)… For example, if MSAS
consumed 1.5 physical and .5 paging file, would MSAS be at it’s max?

Thanks again!


"Darren Gosbell" wrote:

Quote:
The 2/3 Gb limit (depending on how your boot.ini file is configured)
affects the total addressable memory space. So that probably be what you
mean when you say virtual memory.

That is, if you have a 32bit box with more than 3Gb of physical RAM AS2K
can still only address (use) a maximum of 3Gb.

The only way to get over this limit is to use a 64bit operating system.

The other thing to note on this is that for the dimension cache, AS2k
can launch a separate process called VLDM (very-large-dimension-manager)
that can give you an addition 2Gb of memory for large dimensions at the
cost of some performance for inter-process communication.

--
Regards
Darren Gosbell [MCSD]
dgosbell_at_yahoo_dot_com
Blog: http://www.geekswithblogs.net/darrengosbell

In article <E1A4F4BA-7843-46DC-98B1-A53ABDF6EA6D (AT) microsoft (DOT) com>,
BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com says...
Is the 2gb/3gb limit physical memory or virtual memory?

Thanks




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Default Re: MSAS 2gb/3gb limit... - 09-19-2005 , 07:52 PM



In operating system terms is it "virtual address space". So you are right,
it is really working set plus page file usage.

In practical terms, it also relates to recommended physical memory used by
AS.
This is because Windows as an operating system doesn't really like to page.
It has the provision but you won't get peak throughput from the system if it
does a lot of paging.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"BATMAN" <BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Thanks for the response.

To be more specific. What I'm asking is if the MSAS 2/3gb limit (3gb with
the /3gb switch in the boot.ini) is related to only physical memory or
total
virtual memory. Virtual being (physical + pagefile). For example, if
MSAS
consumed 1.5 physical and .5 paging file, would MSAS be at it's max?

Thanks again!


"Darren Gosbell" wrote:

The 2/3 Gb limit (depending on how your boot.ini file is configured)
affects the total addressable memory space. So that probably be what you
mean when you say virtual memory.

That is, if you have a 32bit box with more than 3Gb of physical RAM AS2K
can still only address (use) a maximum of 3Gb.

The only way to get over this limit is to use a 64bit operating system.

The other thing to note on this is that for the dimension cache, AS2k
can launch a separate process called VLDM (very-large-dimension-manager)
that can give you an addition 2Gb of memory for large dimensions at the
cost of some performance for inter-process communication.

--
Regards
Darren Gosbell [MCSD]
dgosbell_at_yahoo_dot_com
Blog: http://www.geekswithblogs.net/darrengosbell

In article <E1A4F4BA-7843-46DC-98B1-A53ABDF6EA6D (AT) microsoft (DOT) com>,
BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com says...
Is the 2gb/3gb limit physical memory or virtual memory?

Thanks






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Default Re: MSAS 2gb/3gb limit... - 09-20-2005 , 12:39 PM



Dave,

Thanks for your response...

I'm sure we're saying the same thing but I just want to clarify, only
because I'm trying to ensure that what I believe to be true is really true.
I'll start off with the definitions that I know:

Private Bytes = Virtural Memory space, physical or (physical + pagefile),
reserved for the given process

Virtual Bytes = Physical Memory or (physical + pagefile)

Working Set = Recently accessed pages in Virtual memory (physical or
(physical + pagefile))

Now my question/clarification… You said that the memory an application can
address is “working set plus page file usage”. My confusion comes from that
I think of Working Set to be the above definition. So I would say that the
total memory MSAS can address, depending if /3GB or /USERVA are used, is
2-3gb Virtual Memory. Am I correct to assume that?

Again, I apologize if I’m splitting hairs… It’s just that some of our
systems require that level of tuning and I just want a reality check.

Thanks…




"Dave Wickert [MSFT]" wrote:

Quote:
In operating system terms is it "virtual address space". So you are right,
it is really working set plus page file usage.

In practical terms, it also relates to recommended physical memory used by
AS.
This is because Windows as an operating system doesn't really like to page.
It has the provision but you won't get peak throughput from the system if it
does a lot of paging.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"BATMAN" <BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:22646394-2268-426B-A36E-FCD55C8EB372 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Thanks for the response.

To be more specific. What I'm asking is if the MSAS 2/3gb limit (3gb with
the /3gb switch in the boot.ini) is related to only physical memory or
total
virtual memory. Virtual being (physical + pagefile). For example, if
MSAS
consumed 1.5 physical and .5 paging file, would MSAS be at it's max?

Thanks again!


"Darren Gosbell" wrote:

The 2/3 Gb limit (depending on how your boot.ini file is configured)
affects the total addressable memory space. So that probably be what you
mean when you say virtual memory.

That is, if you have a 32bit box with more than 3Gb of physical RAM AS2K
can still only address (use) a maximum of 3Gb.

The only way to get over this limit is to use a 64bit operating system.

The other thing to note on this is that for the dimension cache, AS2k
can launch a separate process called VLDM (very-large-dimension-manager)
that can give you an addition 2Gb of memory for large dimensions at the
cost of some performance for inter-process communication.

--
Regards
Darren Gosbell [MCSD]
dgosbell_at_yahoo_dot_com
Blog: http://www.geekswithblogs.net/darrengosbell

In article <E1A4F4BA-7843-46DC-98B1-A53ABDF6EA6D (AT) microsoft (DOT) com>,
BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com says...
Is the 2gb/3gb limit physical memory or virtual memory?

Thanks







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Default Re: MSAS 2gb/3gb limit... - 09-21-2005 , 04:14 AM



Correct.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"BATMAN" <BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Dave,

Thanks for your response...

I'm sure we're saying the same thing but I just want to clarify, only
because I'm trying to ensure that what I believe to be true is really
true.
I'll start off with the definitions that I know:

Private Bytes = Virtural Memory space, physical or (physical + pagefile),
reserved for the given process

Virtual Bytes = Physical Memory or (physical + pagefile)

Working Set = Recently accessed pages in Virtual memory (physical or
(physical + pagefile))

Now my question/clarification. You said that the memory an application
can
address is "working set plus page file usage". My confusion comes from
that
I think of Working Set to be the above definition. So I would say that
the
total memory MSAS can address, depending if /3GB or /USERVA are used, is
2-3gb Virtual Memory. Am I correct to assume that?

Again, I apologize if I'm splitting hairs. It's just that some of our
systems require that level of tuning and I just want a reality check.

Thanks.




"Dave Wickert [MSFT]" wrote:

In operating system terms is it "virtual address space". So you are
right,
it is really working set plus page file usage.

In practical terms, it also relates to recommended physical memory used
by
AS.
This is because Windows as an operating system doesn't really like to
page.
It has the provision but you won't get peak throughput from the system if
it
does a lot of paging.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.


"BATMAN" <BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:22646394-2268-426B-A36E-FCD55C8EB372 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Thanks for the response.

To be more specific. What I'm asking is if the MSAS 2/3gb limit (3gb
with
the /3gb switch in the boot.ini) is related to only physical memory or
total
virtual memory. Virtual being (physical + pagefile). For example, if
MSAS
consumed 1.5 physical and .5 paging file, would MSAS be at it's max?

Thanks again!


"Darren Gosbell" wrote:

The 2/3 Gb limit (depending on how your boot.ini file is configured)
affects the total addressable memory space. So that probably be what
you
mean when you say virtual memory.

That is, if you have a 32bit box with more than 3Gb of physical RAM
AS2K
can still only address (use) a maximum of 3Gb.

The only way to get over this limit is to use a 64bit operating
system.

The other thing to note on this is that for the dimension cache, AS2k
can launch a separate process called VLDM
(very-large-dimension-manager)
that can give you an addition 2Gb of memory for large dimensions at
the
cost of some performance for inter-process communication.

--
Regards
Darren Gosbell [MCSD]
dgosbell_at_yahoo_dot_com
Blog: http://www.geekswithblogs.net/darrengosbell

In article <E1A4F4BA-7843-46DC-98B1-A53ABDF6EA6D (AT) microsoft (DOT) com>,
BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com says...
Is the 2gb/3gb limit physical memory or virtual memory?

Thanks









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Default Re: MSAS 2gb/3gb limit... - 09-21-2005 , 03:19 PM



Thanks Dave!

"Dave Wickert [MSFT]" wrote:

Quote:
Correct.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"BATMAN" <BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3D4AAB5A-AF4A-4524-86AD-E351A9B5C111 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Dave,

Thanks for your response...

I'm sure we're saying the same thing but I just want to clarify, only
because I'm trying to ensure that what I believe to be true is really
true.
I'll start off with the definitions that I know:

Private Bytes = Virtural Memory space, physical or (physical + pagefile),
reserved for the given process

Virtual Bytes = Physical Memory or (physical + pagefile)

Working Set = Recently accessed pages in Virtual memory (physical or
(physical + pagefile))

Now my question/clarification. You said that the memory an application
can
address is "working set plus page file usage". My confusion comes from
that
I think of Working Set to be the above definition. So I would say that
the
total memory MSAS can address, depending if /3GB or /USERVA are used, is
2-3gb Virtual Memory. Am I correct to assume that?

Again, I apologize if I'm splitting hairs. It's just that some of our
systems require that level of tuning and I just want a reality check.

Thanks.




"Dave Wickert [MSFT]" wrote:

In operating system terms is it "virtual address space". So you are
right,
it is really working set plus page file usage.

In practical terms, it also relates to recommended physical memory used
by
AS.
This is because Windows as an operating system doesn't really like to
page.
It has the provision but you won't get peak throughput from the system if
it
does a lot of paging.
--
Dave Wickert [MSFT]
dwickert (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com
Program Manager
BI Systems Team
SQL BI Product Unit (Analysis Services)
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.


"BATMAN" <BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:22646394-2268-426B-A36E-FCD55C8EB372 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Thanks for the response.

To be more specific. What I'm asking is if the MSAS 2/3gb limit (3gb
with
the /3gb switch in the boot.ini) is related to only physical memory or
total
virtual memory. Virtual being (physical + pagefile). For example, if
MSAS
consumed 1.5 physical and .5 paging file, would MSAS be at it's max?

Thanks again!


"Darren Gosbell" wrote:

The 2/3 Gb limit (depending on how your boot.ini file is configured)
affects the total addressable memory space. So that probably be what
you
mean when you say virtual memory.

That is, if you have a 32bit box with more than 3Gb of physical RAM
AS2K
can still only address (use) a maximum of 3Gb.

The only way to get over this limit is to use a 64bit operating
system.

The other thing to note on this is that for the dimension cache, AS2k
can launch a separate process called VLDM
(very-large-dimension-manager)
that can give you an addition 2Gb of memory for large dimensions at
the
cost of some performance for inter-process communication.

--
Regards
Darren Gosbell [MCSD]
dgosbell_at_yahoo_dot_com
Blog: http://www.geekswithblogs.net/darrengosbell

In article <E1A4F4BA-7843-46DC-98B1-A53ABDF6EA6D (AT) microsoft (DOT) com>,
BATMAN (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com says...
Is the 2gb/3gb limit physical memory or virtual memory?

Thanks










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