dbTalk Databases Forums  

DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open

microsoft.public.sqlserver.dts microsoft.public.sqlserver.dts


Discuss DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open in the microsoft.public.sqlserver.dts forum.



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old   
softengine
 
Posts: n/a

Default DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-02-2005 , 11:29 AM






We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a Windows 2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking an unusually
long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other clients and not on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but it doesn’t seem to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or why it’s slow
please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple packages open up
much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to open because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but these packages are
taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on a much slower
sql server.



Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old   
Allan Mitchell
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-02-2005 , 01:47 PM






What happens if you save the package to a structured storage file and do
it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a Windows 2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking an unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other clients and not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but it doesn't seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or why it's slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple packages open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to open because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but these packages are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on a much slower

sql server.


Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old   
softengine
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-02-2005 , 02:47 PM



Well at first I thought it was how we transferred the packages from the old
SQL Server to the new and faster SQL Server. We used a free program called
DTSBackup 2000. But then I created a test package directly on the new SQL
server and I get the same problem.

When I take a package and try to do a Save As to either a Structured Storage
File or metadeta, it takes a long time to save and just as long to open.

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

Quote:
What happens if you save the package to a structured storage file and do
it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a Windows 2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking an unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other clients and not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but it doesn't seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or why it's slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple packages open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to open because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but these packages are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on a much slower

sql server.



Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old   
Allan Mitchell
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-02-2005 , 03:20 PM



OK

Can you tell me what is in the package?

All packages do this or packages of complexity only?

SP level on SQL Server, MDAC?

Anything in the Event Log?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Well at first I thought it was how we transferred the packages from the
old
SQL Server to the new and faster SQL Server. We used a free program called

DTSBackup 2000. But then I created a test package directly on the new SQL

server and I get the same problem.

When I take a package and try to do a Save As to either a Structured
Storage
File or metadeta, it takes a long time to save and just as long to open.


"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

What happens if you save the package to a structured storage file and do

it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a Windows 2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking an
unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other clients and
not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but it doesn't
seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or why it's
slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple packages
open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to open
because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but these packages
are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on a much
slower

sql server.




Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old   
softengine
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-02-2005 , 05:37 PM



These are mostly ETL packages w/mostly data transformation tasks. The more
complex packages do seem to take longer but the simple ones still take twice
has long to open as they used.

More importantly. the packages open at the normal time through the
enterprise manager on the the local server. This is only an issue on remote
EM clients.
When I try to open up a large table through a remote EM, it opens up very
fast.

We are using SP3 8.00.760, and actually it is a Windows 2000 standard
edition not Windows 2003.

Is it possible this could be a network problem?

Anyone?

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

Quote:
OK

Can you tell me what is in the package?

All packages do this or packages of complexity only?

SP level on SQL Server, MDAC?

Anything in the Event Log?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
Well at first I thought it was how we transferred the packages from the
old
SQL Server to the new and faster SQL Server. We used a free program called

DTSBackup 2000. But then I created a test package directly on the new SQL

server and I get the same problem.

When I take a package and try to do a Save As to either a Structured
Storage
File or metadeta, it takes a long time to save and just as long to open.


"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

What happens if you save the package to a structured storage file and do

it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a Windows 2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking an
unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other clients and
not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but it doesn't
seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or why it's
slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple packages
open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to open
because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but these packages
are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on a much
slower

sql server.





Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old   
Allan Mitchell
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-03-2005 , 12:43 AM



It is certainly looking that way.

Network protocols between the boxes?

Switch problems/slow down?


"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
These are mostly ETL packages w/mostly data transformation tasks. The more

complex packages do seem to take longer but the simple ones still take
twice
has long to open as they used.

More importantly. the packages open at the normal time through the
enterprise manager on the the local server. This is only an issue on
remote
EM clients.
When I try to open up a large table through a remote EM, it opens up very

fast.

We are using SP3 8.00.760, and actually it is a Windows 2000 standard
edition not Windows 2003.

Is it possible this could be a network problem?

Anyone?

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

OK

Can you tell me what is in the package?

All packages do this or packages of complexity only?

SP level on SQL Server, MDAC?

Anything in the Event Log?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
Well at first I thought it was how we transferred the packages from
the
old
SQL Server to the new and faster SQL Server. We used a free program
called

DTSBackup 2000. But then I created a test package directly on the new
SQL

server and I get the same problem.

When I take a package and try to do a Save As to either a Structured
Storage
File or metadeta, it takes a long time to save and just as long to
open.


"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

What happens if you save the package to a structured storage file
and do

it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a Windows
2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking an
unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other clients
and
not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but it
doesn't
seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or why
it's
slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple
packages
open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to open
because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but these
packages
are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on a
much
slower

sql server.






Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old   
softengine
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-03-2005 , 12:49 AM



Here is on other clue. The msdb.sysdtspackages takes forever, I mean at least
a minute to open from a remote Enterprise Manager, but opens quickly on the
local EM. Also all the msdb tables open up quickly in the remote EM.

Is it possible that some of the MSDB tables were corrupted when I used
DTBackup2000 to copy over the DTS packages?

Is there a way to refresh/repair the MSDB database?



"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

Quote:
It is certainly looking that way.

Network protocols between the boxes?

Switch problems/slow down?


"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
These are mostly ETL packages w/mostly data transformation tasks. The more

complex packages do seem to take longer but the simple ones still take
twice
has long to open as they used.

More importantly. the packages open at the normal time through the
enterprise manager on the the local server. This is only an issue on
remote
EM clients.
When I try to open up a large table through a remote EM, it opens up very

fast.

We are using SP3 8.00.760, and actually it is a Windows 2000 standard
edition not Windows 2003.

Is it possible this could be a network problem?

Anyone?

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

OK

Can you tell me what is in the package?

All packages do this or packages of complexity only?

SP level on SQL Server, MDAC?

Anything in the Event Log?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
Well at first I thought it was how we transferred the packages from
the
old
SQL Server to the new and faster SQL Server. We used a free program
called

DTSBackup 2000. But then I created a test package directly on the new
SQL

server and I get the same problem.

When I take a package and try to do a Save As to either a Structured
Storage
File or metadeta, it takes a long time to save and just as long to
open.


"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

What happens if you save the package to a structured storage file
and do

it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a Windows
2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking an
unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other clients
and
not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but it
doesn't
seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or why
it's
slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple
packages
open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to open
because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but these
packages
are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on a
much
slower

sql server.







Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old   
Allan Mitchell
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-03-2005 , 01:06 PM



If they were corrupted you would not see the packages anywhere.

You see the packages fine they just take a long time.

Are there many versions of the package in MSDB?

What if you save this package to another server and opened?

Now try to open this package on the now remote server which was
previously the local server

This way if it opens quickly you can say

The package is fine
Opens quickly locally on any server
The only difference is the network in between.



"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Here is on other clue. The msdb.sysdtspackages takes forever, I mean at
least
a minute to open from a remote Enterprise Manager, but opens quickly on
the
local EM. Also all the msdb tables open up quickly in the remote EM.

Is it possible that some of the MSDB tables were corrupted when I used
DTBackup2000 to copy over the DTS packages?

Is there a way to refresh/repair the MSDB database?



"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

It is certainly looking that way.

Network protocols between the boxes?

Switch problems/slow down?


"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
These are mostly ETL packages w/mostly data transformation tasks. The
more

complex packages do seem to take longer but the simple ones still
take
twice
has long to open as they used.

More importantly. the packages open at the normal time through the
enterprise manager on the the local server. This is only an issue on
remote
EM clients.
When I try to open up a large table through a remote EM, it opens up
very

fast.

We are using SP3 8.00.760, and actually it is a Windows 2000
standard
edition not Windows 2003.

Is it possible this could be a network problem?

Anyone?

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

OK

Can you tell me what is in the package?

All packages do this or packages of complexity only?

SP level on SQL Server, MDAC?

Anything in the Event Log?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
Well at first I thought it was how we transferred the packages
from
the
old
SQL Server to the new and faster SQL Server. We used a free
program
called

DTSBackup 2000. But then I created a test package directly on the
new
SQL

server and I get the same problem.

When I take a package and try to do a Save As to either a
Structured
Storage
File or metadeta, it takes a long time to save and just as long
to
open.


"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

What happens if you save the package to a structured storage
file
and do

it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a
Windows
2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking
an
unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other
clients
and
not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but
it
doesn't
seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or
why
it's
slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple
packages
open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to
open
because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but
these
packages
are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on
a
much
slower

sql server.








Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old   
softengine
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-04-2005 , 05:07 PM



It looks like the issue was resolved and it was related to the network card
and its auto-sensing 10mbs/100mbps function. We forced the NIC to always run
on 100mbps. I can't believe it takes that much more bandwith to open up an
DTS package.

Thanks for than help

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

Quote:
If they were corrupted you would not see the packages anywhere.

You see the packages fine they just take a long time.

Are there many versions of the package in MSDB?

What if you save this package to another server and opened?

Now try to open this package on the now remote server which was
previously the local server

This way if it opens quickly you can say

The package is fine
Opens quickly locally on any server
The only difference is the network in between.



"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
Here is on other clue. The msdb.sysdtspackages takes forever, I mean at
least
a minute to open from a remote Enterprise Manager, but opens quickly on
the
local EM. Also all the msdb tables open up quickly in the remote EM.

Is it possible that some of the MSDB tables were corrupted when I used
DTBackup2000 to copy over the DTS packages?

Is there a way to refresh/repair the MSDB database?



"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

It is certainly looking that way.

Network protocols between the boxes?

Switch problems/slow down?


"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
These are mostly ETL packages w/mostly data transformation tasks. The
more

complex packages do seem to take longer but the simple ones still
take
twice
has long to open as they used.

More importantly. the packages open at the normal time through the
enterprise manager on the the local server. This is only an issue on
remote
EM clients.
When I try to open up a large table through a remote EM, it opens up
very

fast.

We are using SP3 8.00.760, and actually it is a Windows 2000
standard
edition not Windows 2003.

Is it possible this could be a network problem?

Anyone?

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

OK

Can you tell me what is in the package?

All packages do this or packages of complexity only?

SP level on SQL Server, MDAC?

Anything in the Event Log?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
Well at first I thought it was how we transferred the packages
from
the
old
SQL Server to the new and faster SQL Server. We used a free
program
called

DTSBackup 2000. But then I created a test package directly on the
new
SQL

server and I get the same problem.

When I take a package and try to do a Save As to either a
Structured
Storage
File or metadeta, it takes a long time to save and just as long
to
open.


"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

What happens if you save the package to a structured storage
file
and do

it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a
Windows
2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are taking
an
unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on other
clients
and
not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE but
it
doesn't
seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how or
why
it's
slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and simple
packages
open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to
open
because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but
these
packages
are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were on
a
much
slower

sql server.









Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old   
Allan Mitchell
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: DTS packages in SQL 2000 slow to open - 02-05-2005 , 03:21 AM



I have also seen this with the most innocent of things also (not DTS) as
soon as you told the NIC to use 100 mbps and not try to be clever
everything was fine.



"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
It looks like the issue was resolved and it was related to the network
card
and its auto-sensing 10mbs/100mbps function. We forced the NIC to always
run
on 100mbps. I can't believe it takes that much more bandwith to open up an

DTS package.

Thanks for than help

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

If they were corrupted you would not see the packages anywhere.

You see the packages fine they just take a long time.

Are there many versions of the package in MSDB?

What if you save this package to another server and opened?

Now try to open this package on the now remote server which was
previously the local server

This way if it opens quickly you can say

The package is fine
Opens quickly locally on any server
The only difference is the network in between.



"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
Here is on other clue. The msdb.sysdtspackages takes forever, I mean
at
least
a minute to open from a remote Enterprise Manager, but opens quickly
on
the
local EM. Also all the msdb tables open up quickly in the remote EM.

Is it possible that some of the MSDB tables were corrupted when I
used
DTBackup2000 to copy over the DTS packages?

Is there a way to refresh/repair the MSDB database?



"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

It is certainly looking that way.

Network protocols between the boxes?

Switch problems/slow down?


"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
These are mostly ETL packages w/mostly data transformation tasks.
The
more

complex packages do seem to take longer but the simple ones
still
take
twice
has long to open as they used.

More importantly. the packages open at the normal time through
the
enterprise manager on the the local server. This is only an issue
on
remote
EM clients.
When I try to open up a large table through a remote EM, it opens
up
very

fast.

We are using SP3 8.00.760, and actually it is a Windows 2000
standard
edition not Windows 2003.

Is it possible this could be a network problem?

Anyone?

"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

OK

Can you tell me what is in the package?

All packages do this or packages of complexity only?

SP level on SQL Server, MDAC?

Anything in the Event Log?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
Well at first I thought it was how we transferred the
packages
from
the
old
SQL Server to the new and faster SQL Server. We used a free
program
called

DTSBackup 2000. But then I created a test package directly on
the
new
SQL

server and I get the same problem.

When I take a package and try to do a Save As to either a
Structured
Storage
File or metadeta, it takes a long time to save and just as
long
to
open.


"Allan Mitchell" wrote:

What happens if you save the package to a structured
storage
file
and do

it from there?

"softengine" <softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote
in
message
news:softengine (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com:
We have several instances of SQL Server 2000(sp3) on a
Windows
2003
development box. (3gigs ram, dual P4 2.8ghz xeons).

We are experiencing a problem where DTS packages are
taking
an
unusually

long time to open. This only occurs when using EM on
other
clients
and
not
on
the actual local server. I have tried turning on CACHE
but
it
doesn't
seem
to
work. If you have any ideas or could at least explain how
or
why
it's
slow

please send info this way. Incidentally, small and
simple
packages
open up

much quicker than the large complex ones.

I realize complex/large DTS packages will take longer to
open
because
metadeta is being collected when a package is open, but
these
packages
are

taking twice as long to open than they did when they were
on
a
much
slower

sql server.










Reply With Quote
Reply




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.