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Reposting under MSDN registered nospam alias. I have installed SQL Server on W2k3. The cluster works fine (this is for a SharePoint 2003 deployment). However I am unable to connect to either machine or the cluster DB from my workstation using Enterprise Manager or Remote Desktop. Here are the relevant facts. 1. Both machines are on a different subnet from my workstation. I can connect using EM and Remote Desk from any machine on the same subnet. |
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2. Before installing SQL server, I had Terminal Server running on both machines. I could connect from my workstation. I removed TS in order to install SQL server, per MS instructions. I then enabled Remote Desktop Management on each machine. |
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3. Now I cannot use Remote Desktop or Ent. Manager. Moreover, I cannot ping to either machine from my subnet. Tracert shows that the packets die at the main switch to that subnet. I can ping from any machine on the subnet. |
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So, the only changes to the setup of the machines was to remove TS and enable Remote Desk, and to install SQL server. Before, I could ping, connect, etc. Now I cannot. However, it is not the machine that is causing the problem, but the network switch. One further note, name resolution for the cluster virtual machine and each individual machine works (I can nslookup each name). Is there something I have missed? J. C. Willard Sr. IT Architect Virginia Department of Transportation |
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Guesses inline below... Cheers, Rod MVP - Windows Server - Clustering http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering jwillard (AT) newsgroups (DOT) nospam> wrote in message news:%23B7nNqpaEHA.1656 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Reposting under MSDN registered nospam alias. I have installed SQL Server on W2k3. The cluster works fine (this is for a SharePoint 2003 deployment). However I am unable to connect to either machine or the cluster DB from my workstation using Enterprise Manager or Remote Desktop. Here are the relevant facts. 1. Both machines are on a different subnet from my workstation. I can connect using EM and Remote Desk from any machine on the same subnet. This sounds like a router/switch problem. If it works locally, its usually not the box. Do you have a personal firewall on the mahcine? 2. Before installing SQL server, I had Terminal Server running on both machines. I could connect from my workstation. I removed TS in order to install SQL server, per MS instructions. I then enabled Remote Desktop Management on each machine. TS or TS in Remote Administration mode? If the latter, are you still in the allowed groups? What message do you get when you try to connect? 3. Now I cannot use Remote Desktop or Ent. Manager. Moreover, I cannot ping to either machine from my subnet. Tracert shows that the packets die at the main switch to that subnet. I can ping from any machine on the subnet. Hmm, no ping or access, sounds like a firewall issue to me. What hardware is after the switch? Maybe a software firewall? So, the only changes to the setup of the machines was to remove TS and enable Remote Desk, and to install SQL server. Before, I could ping, connect, etc. Now I cannot. However, it is not the machine that is causing the problem, but the network switch. One further note, name resolution for the cluster virtual machine and each individual machine works (I can nslookup each name). Is there something I have missed? J. C. Willard Sr. IT Architect Virginia Department of Transportation |
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Guesses inline below... Cheers, Rod MVP - Windows Server - Clustering http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering jwillard (AT) newsgroups (DOT) nospam> wrote in message news:%23B7nNqpaEHA.1656 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Reposting under MSDN registered nospam alias. I have installed SQL Server on W2k3. The cluster works fine (this is for a SharePoint 2003 deployment). However I am unable to connect to either machine or the cluster DB from my workstation using Enterprise Manager or Remote Desktop. Here are the relevant facts. 1. Both machines are on a different subnet from my workstation. I can connect using EM and Remote Desk from any machine on the same subnet. This sounds like a router/switch problem. If it works locally, its usually not the box. Do you have a personal firewall on the mahcine? 2. Before installing SQL server, I had Terminal Server running on both machines. I could connect from my workstation. I removed TS in order to install SQL server, per MS instructions. I then enabled Remote Desktop Management on each machine. TS or TS in Remote Administration mode? If the latter, are you still in the allowed groups? What message do you get when you try to connect? 3. Now I cannot use Remote Desktop or Ent. Manager. Moreover, I cannot ping to either machine from my subnet. Tracert shows that the packets die at the main switch to that subnet. I can ping from any machine on the subnet. Hmm, no ping or access, sounds like a firewall issue to me. What hardware is after the switch? Maybe a software firewall? So, the only changes to the setup of the machines was to remove TS and enable Remote Desk, and to install SQL server. Before, I could ping, connect, etc. Now I cannot. However, it is not the machine that is causing the problem, but the network switch. One further note, name resolution for the cluster virtual machine and each individual machine works (I can nslookup each name). Is there something I have missed? J. C. Willard Sr. IT Architect Virginia Department of Transportation |
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Rod: Thanks for the ideas. Here is what I have discovered today. You are correct that it is the switch that is causing the problem. If I do a tracert, the returns die at that point. Any machine on the far side of the switch can connect fine. However, the only thing that changed between being able to connect to the server and failing to connect from this subnet is that I disabled Terminal Services on the target machines and installed my SQL server cluster. My network operations folks wonder if there is something in the way that the SQL cluster advertises its IP address and name on the network. It does not seem to be a name resolution issue, because I cannot even ping by IP address. I do not know enough about switches to know if they use some sort of protocol (analogous to RIP) to share and/or detect the IP and MAC) of the machines they are connected to. Any further suggestions. John "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in message news:uaOIQaqaEHA.2260 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Guesses inline below... Cheers, Rod MVP - Windows Server - Clustering http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering jwillard (AT) newsgroups (DOT) nospam> wrote in message news:%23B7nNqpaEHA.1656 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Reposting under MSDN registered nospam alias. I have installed SQL Server on W2k3. The cluster works fine (this is for a SharePoint 2003 deployment). However I am unable to connect to either machine or the cluster DB from my workstation using Enterprise Manager or Remote Desktop. Here are the relevant facts. 1. Both machines are on a different subnet from my workstation. I can connect using EM and Remote Desk from any machine on the same subnet. This sounds like a router/switch problem. If it works locally, its usually not the box. Do you have a personal firewall on the mahcine? 2. Before installing SQL server, I had Terminal Server running on both machines. I could connect from my workstation. I removed TS in order to install SQL server, per MS instructions. I then enabled Remote Desktop Management on each machine. TS or TS in Remote Administration mode? If the latter, are you still in the allowed groups? What message do you get when you try to connect? 3. Now I cannot use Remote Desktop or Ent. Manager. Moreover, I cannot ping to either machine from my subnet. Tracert shows that the packets die at the main switch to that subnet. I can ping from any machine on the subnet. Hmm, no ping or access, sounds like a firewall issue to me. What hardware is after the switch? Maybe a software firewall? So, the only changes to the setup of the machines was to remove TS and enable Remote Desk, and to install SQL server. Before, I could ping, connect, etc. Now I cannot. However, it is not the machine that is causing the problem, but the network switch. One further note, name resolution for the cluster virtual machine and each individual machine works (I can nslookup each name). Is there something I have missed? J. C. Willard Sr. IT Architect Virginia Department of Transportation |
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Ask your switch person if the GARP (Gratuitous ARP) is causing a problem. When you failover or move the cluster IP addr, the new system that controls the cluster IP addr will send out the IP addr and new MAC addr to the network. The switch may not be handling this change well for some reason. Cheers, Rod MVP - Windows Server - Clustering http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering jwillard (AT) newsgroups (DOT) nospam> wrote in message news:u9CHkI3aEHA.1356 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Rod: Thanks for the ideas. Here is what I have discovered today. You are correct that it is the switch that is causing the problem. If I do a tracert, the returns die at that point. Any machine on the far side of the switch can connect fine. However, the only thing that changed between being able to connect to the server and failing to connect from this subnet is that I disabled Terminal Services on the target machines and installed my SQL server cluster. My network operations folks wonder if there is something in the way that the SQL cluster advertises its IP address and name on the network. It does not seem to be a name resolution issue, because I cannot even ping by IP address. I do not know enough about switches to know if they use some sort of protocol (analogous to RIP) to share and/or detect the IP and MAC) of the machines they are connected to. Any further suggestions. John "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in message news:uaOIQaqaEHA.2260 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Guesses inline below... Cheers, Rod MVP - Windows Server - Clustering http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering jwillard (AT) newsgroups (DOT) nospam> wrote in message news:%23B7nNqpaEHA.1656 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Reposting under MSDN registered nospam alias. I have installed SQL Server on W2k3. The cluster works fine (this is for a SharePoint 2003 deployment). However I am unable to connect to either machine or the cluster DB from my workstation using Enterprise Manager or Remote Desktop. Here are the relevant facts. 1. Both machines are on a different subnet from my workstation. I can connect using EM and Remote Desk from any machine on the same subnet. This sounds like a router/switch problem. If it works locally, its usually not the box. Do you have a personal firewall on the mahcine? 2. Before installing SQL server, I had Terminal Server running on both machines. I could connect from my workstation. I removed TS in order to install SQL server, per MS instructions. I then enabled Remote Desktop Management on each machine. TS or TS in Remote Administration mode? If the latter, are you still in the allowed groups? What message do you get when you try to connect? 3. Now I cannot use Remote Desktop or Ent. Manager. Moreover, I cannot ping to either machine from my subnet. Tracert shows that the packets die at the main switch to that subnet. I can ping from any machine on the subnet. Hmm, no ping or access, sounds like a firewall issue to me. What hardware is after the switch? Maybe a software firewall? So, the only changes to the setup of the machines was to remove TS and enable Remote Desk, and to install SQL server. Before, I could ping, connect, etc. Now I cannot. However, it is not the machine that is causing the problem, but the network switch. One further note, name resolution for the cluster virtual machine and each individual machine works (I can nslookup each name). Is there something I have missed? J. C. Willard Sr. IT Architect Virginia Department of Transportation |
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