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Default Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-21-2004 , 06:00 AM






Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers are MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.

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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-21-2004 , 07:07 AM






You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same time. You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote

Quote:
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers are MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.



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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-22-2004 , 01:25 AM



The name of my present SQL Server is Server1, I will be using the same
name for one of the cluster instances. Will the replications start
after I cluster the server?

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote

Quote:
You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same time. You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410210300.c365e24 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers are MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.

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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-22-2004 , 06:52 AM



True, I have not moved any of the system databases this way. Let me look
into it.

Rod

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote

Quote:
The name of my present SQL Server is Server1, I will be using the same
name for one of the cluster instances. Will the replications start
after I cluster the server?

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<u6mIGa2tEHA.3088 (AT) tk2msftngp13 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same time.
You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410210300.c365e24 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers are MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.



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Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]
 
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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-22-2004 , 06:55 AM



What is your plan for moving SQL?

Rod

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote

Quote:
The name of my present SQL Server is Server1, I will be using the same
name for one of the cluster instances. Will the replications start
after I cluster the server?

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<u6mIGa2tEHA.3088 (AT) tk2msftngp13 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same time.
You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410210300.c365e24 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers are MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.



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Roust_m
 
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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-24-2004 , 12:50 PM



I plan to install MS SQL cluster on new hardware, using the same
nameand IP for one of MS SQL instances, restore user databases (or
maybe attach them) on the cluster instance and expect the
transactional replications to from other servers to this cluster
instance work, as they did for the old server, since I will be using
the same name and IP address for my virtual instance on the cluster.

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote

Quote:
What is your plan for moving SQL?

Rod

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410212225.1e922378 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
The name of my present SQL Server is Server1, I will be using the same
name for one of the cluster instances. Will the replications start
after I cluster the server?

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<u6mIGa2tEHA.3088 (AT) tk2msftngp13 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same time.
You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410210300.c365e24 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers are MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.

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Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]
 
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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-25-2004 , 10:12 AM



I am not a SQL guru (if I am wrong Geoff will hopefully correct me), but
everything won't just pick right back up. MSDB holds that information and
will have to rebuilt or setup again.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote

Quote:
I plan to install MS SQL cluster on new hardware, using the same
nameand IP for one of MS SQL instances, restore user databases (or
maybe attach them) on the cluster instance and expect the
transactional replications to from other servers to this cluster
instance work, as they did for the old server, since I will be using
the same name and IP address for my virtual instance on the cluster.

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<uuBiU4CuEHA.3872 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
What is your plan for moving SQL?

Rod

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410212225.1e922378 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
The name of my present SQL Server is Server1, I will be using the same
name for one of the cluster instances. Will the replications start
after I cluster the server?

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<u6mIGa2tEHA.3088 (AT) tk2msftngp13 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same time.
You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410210300.c365e24 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same
SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of
transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will
these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers are
MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.



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Geoff N. Hiten
 
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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-25-2004 , 01:22 PM



OK Rodney, I agree you are not a SQL guru.

Seriously, the safest bet is to script all your replication
publications/subscriptions to the target server and run the scripts after
you have done the conversion. You could probably hack everything back
together after a cluster conversion but I wouldn't want to, especially when
the scripting option works extremely well. I doubt you can use the same
name since Cluster SQL Servers are either the default instance for the
cluster OR are in the form of VirtualServername\InstanceName and appear as
named instances.

--
Geoff N. Hiten
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
Careerbuilder.com

I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:eFz%239TquEHA.1860 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Quote:
I am not a SQL guru (if I am wrong Geoff will hopefully correct me), but
everything won't just pick right back up. MSDB holds that information and
will have to rebuilt or setup again.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410240950.5ff2b59f (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
I plan to install MS SQL cluster on new hardware, using the same
nameand IP for one of MS SQL instances, restore user databases (or
maybe attach them) on the cluster instance and expect the
transactional replications to from other servers to this cluster
instance work, as they did for the old server, since I will be using
the same name and IP address for my virtual instance on the cluster.

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<uuBiU4CuEHA.3872 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
What is your plan for moving SQL?

Rod

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410212225.1e922378 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
The name of my present SQL Server is Server1, I will be using the
same
name for one of the cluster instances. Will the replications start
after I cluster the server?

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<u6mIGa2tEHA.3088 (AT) tk2msftngp13 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same
time.
You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410210300.c365e24 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same
SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of
transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will
these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers
are
MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.





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Roust_m
 
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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-26-2004 , 03:29 AM



Seriously, the safest bet is to script all your replication
publications/subscriptions to the target server and run the scripts
after
you have done the conversion.

- Why would I need to run the scripts for publications/subscriptions
for servers I do not even touch? Suppose the name of my current
server is Saturn, I will be using the same name for the default
instance in the cluster. So I will have those replications as before
on other servers targeted to Saturn. They will either start or will
not. If they will not I will have to drop Saturn subscriptions and
recreate them again. So the question I was asking: Is there a chance
they will start.

As for publications/subscriptions that go from the server I plan to
cluster, I will loose them (as I have no idea how to move system
databases to a cluster)and will have to recreate them manually or with
scripts (provided I script them in advance) I had bad experience
using scripts, however. After I restored publications&subscriptions
with scripts on one of my servers I started to receive an error:
"Cannot insert the value NULL into column 'publisher', table
'tempdb.dbo.MSreplication_agent_status'; column does not allow nulls.
INSERT fails. " It does not block any replication, but it is
annoying.

So my question is: will the replications from OTHER servers to my new
clustered server start, provided I will be using the same name for
default instance?

"Geoff N. Hiten" <SRDBA (AT) Careerbuilder (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
OK Rodney, I agree you are not a SQL guru.

Seriously, the safest bet is to script all your replication
publications/subscriptions to the target server and run the scripts after
you have done the conversion. You could probably hack everything back
together after a cluster conversion but I wouldn't want to, especially when
the scripting option works extremely well. I doubt you can use the same
name since Cluster SQL Servers are either the default instance for the
cluster OR are in the form of VirtualServername\InstanceName and appear as
named instances.

--
Geoff N. Hiten
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
Careerbuilder.com

I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:eFz%239TquEHA.1860 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl...
I am not a SQL guru (if I am wrong Geoff will hopefully correct me), but
everything won't just pick right back up. MSDB holds that information and
will have to rebuilt or setup again.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410240950.5ff2b59f (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
I plan to install MS SQL cluster on new hardware, using the same
nameand IP for one of MS SQL instances, restore user databases (or
maybe attach them) on the cluster instance and expect the
transactional replications to from other servers to this cluster
instance work, as they did for the old server, since I will be using
the same name and IP address for my virtual instance on the cluster.

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<uuBiU4CuEHA.3872 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
What is your plan for moving SQL?

Rod

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410212225.1e922378 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
The name of my present SQL Server is Server1, I will be using the
same
name for one of the cluster instances. Will the replications start
after I cluster the server?

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:<u6mIGa2tEHA.3088 (AT) tk2msftngp13 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same
time.
You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410210300.c365e24 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the same
SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of
transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers. Will
these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my servers
are
MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.



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Geoff N. Hiten
 
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Default Re: Transactional replications to a server I plan to cluster - 10-26-2004 , 10:15 AM



Replicaiton from other servers MIGHT start, but I wouldn't bet my job on it.

--
Geoff N. Hiten
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
Careerbuilder.com

I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote

Quote:
Seriously, the safest bet is to script all your replication
publications/subscriptions to the target server and run the scripts
after
you have done the conversion.

- Why would I need to run the scripts for publications/subscriptions
for servers I do not even touch? Suppose the name of my current
server is Saturn, I will be using the same name for the default
instance in the cluster. So I will have those replications as before
on other servers targeted to Saturn. They will either start or will
not. If they will not I will have to drop Saturn subscriptions and
recreate them again. So the question I was asking: Is there a chance
they will start.

As for publications/subscriptions that go from the server I plan to
cluster, I will loose them (as I have no idea how to move system
databases to a cluster)and will have to recreate them manually or with
scripts (provided I script them in advance) I had bad experience
using scripts, however. After I restored publications&subscriptions
with scripts on one of my servers I started to receive an error:
"Cannot insert the value NULL into column 'publisher', table
'tempdb.dbo.MSreplication_agent_status'; column does not allow nulls.
INSERT fails. " It does not block any replication, but it is
annoying.

So my question is: will the replications from OTHER servers to my new
clustered server start, provided I will be using the same name for
default instance?

"Geoff N. Hiten" <SRDBA (AT) Careerbuilder (DOT) com> wrote

OK Rodney, I agree you are not a SQL guru.

Seriously, the safest bet is to script all your replication
publications/subscriptions to the target server and run the scripts
after
you have done the conversion. You could probably hack everything back
together after a cluster conversion but I wouldn't want to, especially
when
the scripting option works extremely well. I doubt you can use the same
name since Cluster SQL Servers are either the default instance for the
cluster OR are in the form of VirtualServername\InstanceName and appear
as
named instances.

--
Geoff N. Hiten
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
Careerbuilder.com

I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote in
message news:eFz%239TquEHA.1860 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl...
I am not a SQL guru (if I am wrong Geoff will hopefully correct me),
but
everything won't just pick right back up. MSDB holds that information
and
will have to rebuilt or setup again.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410240950.5ff2b59f (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
I plan to install MS SQL cluster on new hardware, using the same
nameand IP for one of MS SQL instances, restore user databases (or
maybe attach them) on the cluster instance and expect the
transactional replications to from other servers to this cluster
instance work, as they did for the old server, since I will be using
the same name and IP address for my virtual instance on the cluster.

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com> wrote
in
message news:<uuBiU4CuEHA.3872 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
What is your plan for moving SQL?

Rod

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410212225.1e922378 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
The name of my present SQL Server is Server1, I will be using the
same
name for one of the cluster instances. Will the replications
start
after I cluster the server?

"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" <rod (AT) die (DOT) spam.die.nw-america.com
wrote in
message news:<u6mIGa2tEHA.3088 (AT) tk2msftngp13 (DOT) phx.gbl>...
You can't use the same name on two instances of SQL at the same
time.
You
can use a SQL cluster to house transactional
replications.

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://www.msmvps.com/clustering - Blog

"Roust_m" <roustam (AT) hotbox (DOT) ru> wrote in message
news:a388fd78.0410210300.c365e24 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Hi!

I have a server I am planning to cluster. I will be using the
same
SQL
server name for this cluster. I have a large number of
transactional
replications to this server from a dozen of other servers.
Will
these
replications work evenly after the clustering? (All my
servers
are
MS
SQL2000 sp3 + Win2000 Server sp4)



Thanks.





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