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Geoff N. Hiten
 
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Default Re: Does SQL server support failover without sahred disk or external storage - 04-28-2004 , 10:32 PM






SQL does not have such a feature. The SQL failover cluster model requires a
common dagta store that can be arbitrated between nodes so that a single
node failure is recoverable.

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"Eric" <anonymous (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

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Hi fellow,

I'd like to know if is it possible to configure SQL Server in a cluster
enviroment to provide failover, without using shared disks or external
storages.
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What I wish is setup and cluster to provide failover in case of a
hardware malfuction only between servers A and B. The data "integrity"
however will be guarantee by my application. I only wish to provide my
clients an transparent and automatic way to connect to server B in case of
failure of server A, behaving just like the virtual server in a cluster
enviroment.
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Anyone knows if this is possible?

Cheers,

Eric.



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Michael Hotek
 
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Default Re: Does SQL server support failover without sahred disk or external storage - 04-29-2004 , 08:32 AM






Yes, SQL Server does support failover in that situation. It will not
operate exactly like a virtual server in a cluster environment.

You can use either replication or log shipping to create the second copy of
the database on Server B. Each will have latency as far as what data
exists. Each one has different processes for failing over as well as
failing back. If you search back across this newsgroups and the replication
newsgroup for the last 2 months, there will be more than enough information
posted about that subject.

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Default Re: Does SQL server support failover without sahred disk or external storage - 04-29-2004 , 10:21 AM



Not in the current version of SQL Server. However, database mirroring in
Yukon may be of interest to you. Have a look here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...on123121120120.
Of course, the downside is that Yukon won't be available until next year...

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"Eric" <anonymous (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

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Hi Michel,

The replication and log shipping solves the problem of keeping data
between servers ok, but my point is related to the client.

Is there a way to make the client service start using the second server
automatically in case of server A failure? For example, my apllication use
ODBC to connect to DB_SERVER, wich will be directed to Server A only if it
is availble. If not, then DB_SERVER will point automatically to Server B.
The Client is unware of any change, just like a failover cluster.
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Cheers,

Eric



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Default Re: Does SQL server support failover without sahred disk or external storage - 04-29-2004 , 03:01 PM



Nope to the original question and no even to database mirroring.

If using replication or log shipping, you will have to write code into you
application to detect it, redirect, and reconnect.

When Yukon ships and if database mirroring is in the product, when the
primary fails, you will be disconnected. You will then have to reinitiate
the connection. You just won't have to redirect to a different server name.

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Default Re: Does SQL server support failover without sahred disk or external storage - 04-29-2004 , 03:35 PM



From Lubor's presentation at the PASS Summit (public info here), there is
supposed to be client library awareness so that an automatic, transparent
shift happens with database mirroring.

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"Michael Hotek" <mhotek (AT) nomail (DOT) com> wrote

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Nope to the original question and no even to database mirroring.

If using replication or log shipping, you will have to write code into you
application to detect it, redirect, and reconnect.

When Yukon ships and if database mirroring is in the product, when the
primary fails, you will be disconnected. You will then have to reinitiate
the connection. You just won't have to redirect to a different server
name.

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Michael Hotek
 
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Default Re: Does SQL server support failover without sahred disk or external storage - 04-29-2004 , 10:50 PM



Yes, there is supposed to be client library awareness. The feature is
currently called "transparent client redirect". The transparent redirect
part is that an application doesn't need to change names. It is called
"redirect". It is not called "reconnect". The information is in the PASS
session you refer to. The same basic information with a few extensions is
also contained in a database mirroring session I did in London at DevWeek as
well as in Vienna at XtremeSQL.

There is also a very big word of caution here since this has the potential
to head the wrong direction. Yukon is still in Beta 1. Beta 1 is still
NDA. The only thing allowed to be discussed is what is publicly released.
Outside of that, there are a small group of people authorized to talk about
it. At this point, it is best to not even discuss Yukon features or
functionality. If there are specific questions on Yukon, they can be asked
in "other venues".

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Geoff N. Hiten
 
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Default Re: Does SQL server support failover without sahred disk or external storage - 04-30-2004 , 09:33 AM



I am very aware of my NDA obligations on Yukon. I only discuss items where
I can refer to a public statement by an authorized Microsoft representative,
such as the Beta 1 presentations at PASS.

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"Michael Hotek" <mhotek (AT) nomail (DOT) com> wrote

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Yes, there is supposed to be client library awareness. The feature is
currently called "transparent client redirect". The transparent redirect
part is that an application doesn't need to change names. It is called
"redirect". It is not called "reconnect". The information is in the PASS
session you refer to. The same basic information with a few extensions is
also contained in a database mirroring session I did in London at DevWeek
as
well as in Vienna at XtremeSQL.

There is also a very big word of caution here since this has the potential
to head the wrong direction. Yukon is still in Beta 1. Beta 1 is still
NDA. The only thing allowed to be discussed is what is publicly released.
Outside of that, there are a small group of people authorized to talk
about
it. At this point, it is best to not even discuss Yukon features or
functionality. If there are specific questions on Yukon, they can be
asked
in "other venues".

--
Mike
Principal Mentor
Solid Quality Learning
"More than just Training"
SQL Server MVP
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com
http://www.mssqlserver.com





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