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Carolina Garcia
 
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Default MIGRATING SQL CLUSTER SERVER - 05-11-2005 , 06:58 AM






Hi everyone
We have 2 cluster servers and each server has 3 instances (under WINDOWS
2003), all these is under a domain

IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3

IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3

We want o to migrate these instances to another 2 new servers which also
will be clustered, but first we have to do some tests restoring the data
etc. . Since we have to many people that connects to these server using
ODBCS that have been setup and also they had created programs that includes
the server name as a hard code would like to keep the same instances names
and also give the same server name to the new ones.
The plan is to shutdown the old servers once the new server have been
finally restore. The question here is: Under the same domain, while the
current cluster servers are running, can we setup the new servers with those
servers names and also create the same instances as they are?

Current Server New servers
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3

IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3

Actually I don't think is possible but my boss is asking me to try to see if
we can do this. What I proposed was to make a backup of the databases,
shutdown the current servers, setup the new servers with the names and
instances as the current cluster servers (IDBPB,ext ) and restore the
databases with our disaster recovery exercise in order to the do the
migration. Start the services in the new servers and everybody will be happy
and connect to the new servers.
The old server will have to be redo because these are going to be our
testing servers.
But as i said, that was my proposal, but returning to the question, can we
have 2 cluster servers under a domain and create another 2 new ones with the
same server name and instances? Will the ODBC'S will know where to connect?
What is the best solution in order to migrate a SQL SERVER CLUSTERS?

Thanks


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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\)
 
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Default Re: MIGRATING SQL CLUSTER SERVER - 05-14-2005 , 08:35 AM






Hi

Only 1 server can have the same name on a network at a time. You can change
the domain that a cluster belongs to, but no the cluster name.

You need to use a different name and have all your applications re-pointed
at the new cluster name.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Carolina Garcia" <Carolina Garcia @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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Quote:
Hi everyone
We have 2 cluster servers and each server has 3 instances (under WINDOWS
2003), all these is under a domain

IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3

IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3

We want o to migrate these instances to another 2 new servers which also
will be clustered, but first we have to do some tests restoring the data
etc. . Since we have to many people that connects to these server using
ODBCS that have been setup and also they had created programs that
includes
the server name as a hard code would like to keep the same instances
names
and also give the same server name to the new ones.
The plan is to shutdown the old servers once the new server have been
finally restore. The question here is: Under the same domain, while the
current cluster servers are running, can we setup the new servers with
those
servers names and also create the same instances as they are?

Current Server New servers
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3

IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3

Actually I don't think is possible but my boss is asking me to try to see
if
we can do this. What I proposed was to make a backup of the databases,
shutdown the current servers, setup the new servers with the names and
instances as the current cluster servers (IDBPB,ext ) and restore the
databases with our disaster recovery exercise in order to the do the
migration. Start the services in the new servers and everybody will be
happy
and connect to the new servers.
The old server will have to be redo because these are going to be our
testing servers.
But as i said, that was my proposal, but returning to the question, can we
have 2 cluster servers under a domain and create another 2 new ones with
the
same server name and instances? Will the ODBC'S will know where to
connect?
What is the best solution in order to migrate a SQL SERVER CLUSTERS?

Thanks




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Chris
 
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Default Re: MIGRATING SQL CLUSTER SERVER - 05-16-2005 , 10:28 AM



Mike is right, there's no way to name the machines the same, but you could
trick it with DNS. Create the new servers with the new names you want and
then when you're ready to do a test, take the old machines down and create a
DNS alias pointing traffic from the old names to the new server IP's.

Should work.

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Quote:
Hi

Only 1 server can have the same name on a network at a time. You can change
the domain that a cluster belongs to, but no the cluster name.

You need to use a different name and have all your applications re-pointed
at the new cluster name.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Carolina Garcia" <Carolina Garcia @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:47C56F18-7DF8-43BC-8D7C-984850DBBEE4 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Hi everyone
We have 2 cluster servers and each server has 3 instances (under WINDOWS
2003), all these is under a domain

IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3

IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3

We want o to migrate these instances to another 2 new servers which also
will be clustered, but first we have to do some tests restoring the data
etc. . Since we have to many people that connects to these server using
ODBCS that have been setup and also they had created programs that
includes
the server name as a hard code would like to keep the same instances
names
and also give the same server name to the new ones.
The plan is to shutdown the old servers once the new server have been
finally restore. The question here is: Under the same domain, while the
current cluster servers are running, can we setup the new servers with
those
servers names and also create the same instances as they are?

Current Server New servers
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3

IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3

Actually I don't think is possible but my boss is asking me to try to see
if
we can do this. What I proposed was to make a backup of the databases,
shutdown the current servers, setup the new servers with the names and
instances as the current cluster servers (IDBPB,ext ) and restore the
databases with our disaster recovery exercise in order to the do the
migration. Start the services in the new servers and everybody will be
happy
and connect to the new servers.
The old server will have to be redo because these are going to be our
testing servers.
But as i said, that was my proposal, but returning to the question, can we
have 2 cluster servers under a domain and create another 2 new ones with
the
same server name and instances? Will the ODBC'S will know where to
connect?
What is the best solution in order to migrate a SQL SERVER CLUSTERS?

Thanks





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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\)
 
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Default Re: MIGRATING SQL CLUSTER SERVER - 05-16-2005 , 10:41 AM



Hi

A cluster needs to belong to an AD. AD only allows one machine with a
specific name to be allowed.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Chris" <Chris (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Mike is right, there's no way to name the machines the same, but you could
trick it with DNS. Create the new servers with the new names you want and
then when you're ready to do a test, take the old machines down and create
a
DNS alias pointing traffic from the old names to the new server IP's.

Should work.

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Hi

Only 1 server can have the same name on a network at a time. You can
change
the domain that a cluster belongs to, but no the cluster name.

You need to use a different name and have all your applications
re-pointed
at the new cluster name.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Carolina Garcia" <Carolina Garcia @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:47C56F18-7DF8-43BC-8D7C-984850DBBEE4 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Hi everyone
We have 2 cluster servers and each server has 3 instances (under
WINDOWS
2003), all these is under a domain

IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3

IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3

We want o to migrate these instances to another 2 new servers which
also
will be clustered, but first we have to do some tests restoring the
data
etc. . Since we have to many people that connects to these server
using
ODBCS that have been setup and also they had created programs that
includes
the server name as a hard code would like to keep the same instances
names
and also give the same server name to the new ones.
The plan is to shutdown the old servers once the new server have been
finally restore. The question here is: Under the same domain, while the
current cluster servers are running, can we setup the new servers with
those
servers names and also create the same instances as they are?

Current Server New servers
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA1
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA2
IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3 IDBPA\IDBPINSTA3

IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB1
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB2
IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3 IDBPB\IDBPINSTB3

Actually I don't think is possible but my boss is asking me to try to
see
if
we can do this. What I proposed was to make a backup of the databases,
shutdown the current servers, setup the new servers with the names and
instances as the current cluster servers (IDBPB,ext ) and restore the
databases with our disaster recovery exercise in order to the do the
migration. Start the services in the new servers and everybody will be
happy
and connect to the new servers.
The old server will have to be redo because these are going to be our
testing servers.
But as i said, that was my proposal, but returning to the question, can
we
have 2 cluster servers under a domain and create another 2 new ones
with
the
same server name and instances? Will the ODBC'S will know where to
connect?
What is the best solution in order to migrate a SQL SERVER CLUSTERS?

Thanks







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