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Pete Waters
 
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Default Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 03:19 PM






Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell PowerVault
745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended but costs are
vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done would be helpful.

thanks - pete.



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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\)
 
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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 03:37 PM






Hi

NAS is not fully supported. If you are going to build a cluster, make sure
that all the components are on the Windows Hardware Compatibility List for
Clustering. If not, don't expect support from Microsoft when things go bad.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended but
costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done would
be helpful.

thanks - pete.




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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 03:40 PM



Not being supported by Microsoft is a good enough reason for me to not try
it...

There are cheaper failover options that are less hardware strict, such as a
product called double-take (www.nsisoftware.com no affiliation...)

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"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended but
costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done would
be helpful.

thanks - pete.




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Pete Waters
 
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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 03:44 PM



Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. Whilst I appreciate that clustering with NAS is not
supported by Microsoft, I'm interested to find out if people are actually
doing it. If they are and it seems to be reliable enough then i'd imagine it
would be worth the cost saving.

thanks - pete.



"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Hi

NAS is not fully supported. If you are going to build a cluster, make sure
that all the components are on the Windows Hardware Compatibility List for
Clustering. If not, don't expect support from Microsoft when things go
bad.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7$cBT9XFHA.3300 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended
but costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done
would be helpful.

thanks - pete.






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Pete Waters
 
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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 03:50 PM



Hi Kevin,

I'm looking for an Active/Active cluster solution - not a passive failover
one.

thanks - pete.



"Kevin3NF" <KHill (AT) NopeIDontNeedNoSPAM3NF-inc (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Not being supported by Microsoft is a good enough reason for me to not try
it...

There are cheaper failover options that are less hardware strict, such as
a product called double-take (www.nsisoftware.com no affiliation...)

--
Kevin Hill
President
3NF Consulting

www.3nf-inc.com/NewsGroups.htm

www.DallasDBAs.com/forum - new DB forum for Dallas/Ft. Worth area DBAs.

www.experts-exchange.com - experts compete for points to answer your
questions


"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7$cBT9XFHA.3300 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended
but costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done
would be helpful.

thanks - pete.






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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\)
 
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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 03:59 PM



Basic Question...what is more important to you? Data or Price?

If you don't mind loosing data in a supposedly "high availability" scenario,
then do it the cheap way.
Is your network and switches as reliable as 99.999%? If not, when they fail,
and you end up with data corruption.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. Whilst I appreciate that clustering with NAS is
not supported by Microsoft, I'm interested to find out if people are
actually doing it. If they are and it seems to be reliable enough then i'd
imagine it would be worth the cost saving.

thanks - pete.



"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:OQXq%23c9XFHA.3464 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi

NAS is not fully supported. If you are going to build a cluster, make
sure that all the components are on the Windows Hardware Compatibility
List for Clustering. If not, don't expect support from Microsoft when
things go bad.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7$cBT9XFHA.3300 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended
but costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done
would be helpful.

thanks - pete.








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Pete Waters
 
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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 04:24 PM



The internal network and switches are certainly 99.999% reliable (or at
least have been over the last year!). I'm more interested in peoples
practical experiences rather than the obvious value of data argument. I see
that Microsoft are beginning to support iSCSI - any experience with that?

thanks - pete.




"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Basic Question...what is more important to you? Data or Price?

If you don't mind loosing data in a supposedly "high availability"
scenario, then do it the cheap way.
Is your network and switches as reliable as 99.999%? If not, when they
fail, and you end up with data corruption.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:u6trGh9XFHA.3620 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. Whilst I appreciate that clustering with NAS is
not supported by Microsoft, I'm interested to find out if people are
actually doing it. If they are and it seems to be reliable enough then
i'd imagine it would be worth the cost saving.

thanks - pete.



"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:OQXq%23c9XFHA.3464 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi

NAS is not fully supported. If you are going to build a cluster, make
sure that all the components are on the Windows Hardware Compatibility
List for Clustering. If not, don't expect support from Microsoft when
things go bad.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7$cBT9XFHA.3300 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended
but costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be done
would be helpful.

thanks - pete.










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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\)
 
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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 04:45 PM



Well, I've been at 3 customers who used non-HCL equipment, 2 of them used a
NAS. Well, they all had one option, revert to yesterday's good backup. One
was an investment bank that lost about US$ 50 million due to the failure.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
The internal network and switches are certainly 99.999% reliable (or at
least have been over the last year!). I'm more interested in peoples
practical experiences rather than the obvious value of data argument. I
see that Microsoft are beginning to support iSCSI - any experience with
that?

thanks - pete.




"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:uSShGp9XFHA.1240 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP14 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Basic Question...what is more important to you? Data or Price?

If you don't mind loosing data in a supposedly "high availability"
scenario, then do it the cheap way.
Is your network and switches as reliable as 99.999%? If not, when they
fail, and you end up with data corruption.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:u6trGh9XFHA.3620 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. Whilst I appreciate that clustering with NAS is
not supported by Microsoft, I'm interested to find out if people are
actually doing it. If they are and it seems to be reliable enough then
i'd imagine it would be worth the cost saving.

thanks - pete.



"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:OQXq%23c9XFHA.3464 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi

NAS is not fully supported. If you are going to build a cluster, make
sure that all the components are on the Windows Hardware Compatibility
List for Clustering. If not, don't expect support from Microsoft when
things go bad.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7$cBT9XFHA.3300 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is recommended
but costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it shouldn't be
done would be helpful.

thanks - pete.












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Pete Waters
 
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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 05:00 PM



Hi Mike,

Ah - that's not good! That's the kind of info i'm after - real world cases -
thanks. Have you had any experience with using iSCSI in these setups?

pete.


"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Well, I've been at 3 customers who used non-HCL equipment, 2 of them used
a NAS. Well, they all had one option, revert to yesterday's good backup.
One was an investment bank that lost about US$ 50 million due to the
failure.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:OjS0X39XFHA.3876 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
The internal network and switches are certainly 99.999% reliable (or at
least have been over the last year!). I'm more interested in peoples
practical experiences rather than the obvious value of data argument. I
see that Microsoft are beginning to support iSCSI - any experience with
that?

thanks - pete.




"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:uSShGp9XFHA.1240 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP14 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Basic Question...what is more important to you? Data or Price?

If you don't mind loosing data in a supposedly "high availability"
scenario, then do it the cheap way.
Is your network and switches as reliable as 99.999%? If not, when they
fail, and you end up with data corruption.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:u6trGh9XFHA.3620 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. Whilst I appreciate that clustering with NAS
is not supported by Microsoft, I'm interested to find out if people are
actually doing it. If they are and it seems to be reliable enough then
i'd imagine it would be worth the cost saving.

thanks - pete.



"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:OQXq%23c9XFHA.3464 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi

NAS is not fully supported. If you are going to build a cluster, make
sure that all the components are on the Windows Hardware Compatibility
List for Clustering. If not, don't expect support from Microsoft when
things go bad.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7$cBT9XFHA.3300 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is
recommended but costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it
shouldn't be done would be helpful.

thanks - pete.














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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\)
 
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Default Re: Clustering with NAS - 05-23-2005 , 05:16 PM



Hi

No. Not iSCSI. After the IT Directors got a good beating by the
shareholders, they all went SAN.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Hi Mike,

Ah - that's not good! That's the kind of info i'm after - real world
cases - thanks. Have you had any experience with using iSCSI in these
setups?

pete.


"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:%23M0e0C%23XFHA.3320 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP12 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Well, I've been at 3 customers who used non-HCL equipment, 2 of them used
a NAS. Well, they all had one option, revert to yesterday's good backup.
One was an investment bank that lost about US$ 50 million due to the
failure.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:OjS0X39XFHA.3876 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
The internal network and switches are certainly 99.999% reliable (or at
least have been over the last year!). I'm more interested in peoples
practical experiences rather than the obvious value of data argument. I
see that Microsoft are beginning to support iSCSI - any experience with
that?

thanks - pete.




"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:uSShGp9XFHA.1240 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP14 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Basic Question...what is more important to you? Data or Price?

If you don't mind loosing data in a supposedly "high availability"
scenario, then do it the cheap way.
Is your network and switches as reliable as 99.999%? If not, when they
fail, and you end up with data corruption.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:u6trGh9XFHA.3620 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. Whilst I appreciate that clustering with NAS
is not supported by Microsoft, I'm interested to find out if people
are actually doing it. If they are and it seems to be reliable enough
then i'd imagine it would be worth the cost saving.

thanks - pete.



"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:OQXq%23c9XFHA.3464 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Hi

NAS is not fully supported. If you are going to build a cluster, make
sure that all the components are on the Windows Hardware
Compatibility List for Clustering. If not, don't expect support from
Microsoft when things go bad.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Pete Waters" <petewaters008 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:e7$cBT9XFHA.3300 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl...
Has anyone clustered SQL server 2000 using a NAS server (eg. Dell
PowerVault 745N) as the shared storage? I know that SAN is
recommended but costs are vastly higher. Any reasons as to why it
shouldn't be done would be helpful.

thanks - pete.
















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