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aculfa
 
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Default Clustered Sql Server(Again) - 04-29-2004 , 08:20 AM






I should take offline backup at midnight after stopping our sql server 2000.

But it's prohibited to stop by writing a task like "net stop MSSQLSERVER"
(written in MSDN site), also the passive server brings sql server online and
cancels offline backup.

How can I stop my clustered Sql Server and take backup at midnights? How can
I schedule such a job?

(Before clustering we used to write a batch file ("net stop sqlserver") and
in the sceduled tasks we run them whenever needed)
What should I do from now on?

Thanks,

Abdulkadir



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Michael Hotek
 
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Default Re: Clustered Sql Server(Again) - 04-29-2004 , 09:02 AM






First off, offline backups are unnecessary for a SQL Server. You never have
to take a SQL Server offline to back it up. You use the built in backup
features within the product.

As far as interacting with the cluster, you can't do it directly against the
service since that is seen as a failure. You have to stop the SQL Server
through the cluster. I don't know the command, but you issue the equivalent
thing to the cluster and I'm fairly certain the command string can be found
in online help.

But, again, you don't need to shut down a SQL Server to backup the data.

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Default Re: Clustered Sql Server(Again) - 04-29-2004 , 09:30 AM



Every night we're taking an online backup, somedays incremental - others
full.

We have another system that backups our SqlServer (Hp Omniback) and this
tool restores DB only to servers which have same collation, same drive name,
same directory,bla bla bla...

We can't restore online backup to any other server we have. We may just want
to restore the files and attach it to any server. At the same time we're
trying that.

Thanks for your answer, I will try to find the command string.

I just wanted to learn how this process is done in other firms...

Thanks again,

"Michael Hotek" <mhotek (AT) nomail (DOT) com>, iletide şunu yazdı
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Quote:
First off, offline backups are unnecessary for a SQL Server. You never
have
to take a SQL Server offline to back it up. You use the built in backup
features within the product.

As far as interacting with the cluster, you can't do it directly against
the
service since that is seen as a failure. You have to stop the SQL Server
through the cluster. I don't know the command, but you issue the
equivalent
thing to the cluster and I'm fairly certain the command string can be
found
in online help.

But, again, you don't need to shut down a SQL Server to backup the data.

--

Mike
Principal Mentor
Solid Quality Learning
"More than just Training"
SQL Server MVP
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com
http://www.mssqlserver.com





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Geoff N. Hiten
 
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Default Re: Clustered Sql Server(Again) - 04-29-2004 , 11:34 AM



You can use the built-in tools to back up to a local or remote file share.
Then your backup tool can archive those files for disaster recovery. That
way, you get the best of both worlds.

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"aculfa" <aaa (AT) aa (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Every night we're taking an online backup, somedays incremental - others
full.

We have another system that backups our SqlServer (Hp Omniback) and this
tool restores DB only to servers which have same collation, same drive
name,
same directory,bla bla bla...

We can't restore online backup to any other server we have. We may just
want
to restore the files and attach it to any server. At the same time we're
trying that.

Thanks for your answer, I will try to find the command string.

I just wanted to learn how this process is done in other firms...

Thanks again,

"Michael Hotek" <mhotek (AT) nomail (DOT) com>, iletide şunu yazdı
news:eTD4FLfLEHA.1312 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP12 (DOT) phx.gbl...
First off, offline backups are unnecessary for a SQL Server. You never
have
to take a SQL Server offline to back it up. You use the built in backup
features within the product.

As far as interacting with the cluster, you can't do it directly against
the
service since that is seen as a failure. You have to stop the SQL
Server
through the cluster. I don't know the command, but you issue the
equivalent
thing to the cluster and I'm fairly certain the command string can be
found
in online help.

But, again, you don't need to shut down a SQL Server to backup the data.

--

Mike
Principal Mentor
Solid Quality Learning
"More than just Training"
SQL Server MVP
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com
http://www.mssqlserver.com







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Sandeep Sutari [MSFT]
 
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Default Re: Clustered Sql Server(Again) - 04-30-2004 , 05:46 PM



Here is the order in which you would perform your tasks(, from cluster
prespective):
1. Run command "Cluster group <Group Hosting SQL> /offline".
2. Then you are free to perform your SQL related tasks. After you are done
with your tasks make sure that SQL is in the same state as it was after
doing Step1, above.
3. RunCommand "Cluster group <Group Hosting SQL> /online".

Hope this helps.
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"Michael Hotek" <mhotek (AT) nomail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
First off, offline backups are unnecessary for a SQL Server. You never
have
to take a SQL Server offline to back it up. You use the built in backup
features within the product.

As far as interacting with the cluster, you can't do it directly against
the
service since that is seen as a failure. You have to stop the SQL Server
through the cluster. I don't know the command, but you issue the
equivalent
thing to the cluster and I'm fairly certain the command string can be
found
in online help.

But, again, you don't need to shut down a SQL Server to backup the data.

--

Mike
Principal Mentor
Solid Quality Learning
"More than just Training"
SQL Server MVP
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com
http://www.mssqlserver.com





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