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Default Cluster IP vs SQL Server IP - 12-26-2003 , 09:41 AM






Hi,

SQL Server is listening on the cluster IP, not the SQL Server IP. Will this present a problem later down the line? I have no problem connecting, failing over, or creating a DSN from my webserver (using cluster IP of course).

Thanks!

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Default RE: Cluster IP vs SQL Server IP - 12-26-2003 , 11:20 AM






If SQL is using cluster IP, I would change it to listen on SQL IP. If you
are using SQL Server 2000 then its very easy to do this. This article may
be helpful to you

HOWTO: Change the Network IP Addresses on a Virtual SQL Server
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=244980

HTH,

Uttam Parui
SQL Server Developer Support Engineer, MCDBA, MCSE, MCT
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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Default RE: Cluster IP vs SQL Server IP - 12-26-2003 , 11:41 AM



Thanks Uttam

I found that one of the problems by using the DSN to connect to the virtual cluster IP was that when the cluster failed over, the application and web servers lost thier connection. I updated the IP's and it works correctly now

That leaves me with a new question..
Whats the difference between the SQL IP and the Cluster IP

----- Uttam Parui[MS] wrote: ----

If SQL is using cluster IP, I would change it to listen on SQL IP. If you
are using SQL Server 2000 then its very easy to do this. This article may
be helpful to yo

HOWTO: Change the Network IP Addresses on a Virtual SQL Serve
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=24498

HTH

Uttam Paru
SQL Server Developer Support Engineer, MCDBA, MCSE, MC
Product Support Service
Microsoft Corporatio

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Allan Hirt
 
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Default RE: Cluster IP vs SQL Server IP - 12-26-2003 , 12:10 PM



They are different. The Windows server cluster is its own
virtual server, and SQL is its own virtual server that
runs within/on top of the Windows server cluster. It is a
hard requirement that the IP addresses you assign are
unique; SQL's cannot be the same as the underlying server
cluster.


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-----Original Message-----
Thanks Uttam,

I found that one of the problems by using the DSN to
connect to the virtual cluster IP was that when the
cluster failed over, the application and web servers lost
thier connection. I updated the IP's and it works
correctly now.
Quote:
That leaves me with a new question...
Whats the difference between the SQL IP and the Cluster
IP?

----- Uttam Parui[MS] wrote: -----

If SQL is using cluster IP, I would change it to
listen on SQL IP. If you
are using SQL Server 2000 then its very easy to do
this. This article may
be helpful to you

HOWTO: Change the Network IP Addresses on a Virtual
SQL Server
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=244980

HTH,

Uttam Parui
SQL Server Developer Support Engineer, MCDBA, MCSE,
MCT
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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and confers no rights.

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Technology Protection
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please visit
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Shon Shah [MSFT]
 
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Default Re: Cluster IP vs SQL Server IP - 12-26-2003 , 02:19 PM



Mike,



The difference will be more clear if you look at these from "virtual
servers" perspective. Please check out the sub-section named "Virtual
Servers" on pages 9 to 11 of the document
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...chitecture.doc



To make things more simple, think of one virtual server (say VS1) which
allows you to store and retrieve data in database, another one (say VS2)
which allows you to send and receive emails. Now to access the functionality
provided by these virtual servers from other machines on the network you
need to know their IP addresses. So if VS1 is SQL and VS2 is Exchange, IP
address used by VS1 is SQL IP address and that used by VS2 is Exchange IP
address.



Finally, think of one virtual server (say VS0) whose major purpose is to
host other virtual servers. This virtual server allows you (apart from
providing other functionality) to query what virtual servers it is hosting
and if they are working fine or not. To query this virtual server from other
machines on the network you need to know its IP address and this is nothing
but the cluster IP address.



--
Regards,
Shon Shah
Software Test Engineer
Microsoft Cluster Server

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"Mike" <anonymous (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Thanks Uttam,

I found that one of the problems by using the DSN to connect to the
virtual cluster IP was that when the cluster failed over, the application
and web servers lost thier connection. I updated the IP's and it works
correctly now.
Quote:
That leaves me with a new question...
Whats the difference between the SQL IP and the Cluster IP?

----- Uttam Parui[MS] wrote: -----

If SQL is using cluster IP, I would change it to listen on SQL IP. If
you
are using SQL Server 2000 then its very easy to do this. This article
may
be helpful to you

HOWTO: Change the Network IP Addresses on a Virtual SQL Server
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=244980

HTH,

Uttam Parui
SQL Server Developer Support Engineer, MCDBA, MCSE, MCT
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

Are you secure? For information about the Strategic Technology
Protection
Program and to order your FREE Security Tool Kit, please visit
http://www.microsoft.com/security.





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Default RE: Cluster IP vs SQL Server IP - 12-26-2003 , 03:24 PM



Cluster IP Address is the IP address that all external connections use to
reach the failover WINDOWS CLUSTER itself, not the SQL Server virtual
server.

SQL Server IP Address is the TCP/IP address that users and applications
will use to connect to SQL Server.

For additional information, please refer to

Microsoft Whitepaper - SQL Server 2000 Failover Clustering
http://www.microsoft.com/SQL/techinf...overcluster.as
p

HTH,

Uttam Parui
SQL Server Developer Support Engineer, MCDBA, MCSE, MCT
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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Default Re: Cluster IP vs SQL Server IP - 12-29-2003 , 08:36 AM



Thanks guys!

----- Shon Shah [MSFT] wrote: ----

Mike



The difference will be more clear if you look at these from "virtua
servers" perspective. Please check out the sub-section named "Virtua
Servers" on pages 9 to 11 of the documen
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...rchitecture.do



To make things more simple, think of one virtual server (say VS1) whic
allows you to store and retrieve data in database, another one (say VS2
which allows you to send and receive emails. Now to access the functionalit
provided by these virtual servers from other machines on the network yo
need to know their IP addresses. So if VS1 is SQL and VS2 is Exchange, I
address used by VS1 is SQL IP address and that used by VS2 is Exchange I
address



Finally, think of one virtual server (say VS0) whose major purpose is t
host other virtual servers. This virtual server allows you (apart fro
providing other functionality) to query what virtual servers it is hostin
and if they are working fine or not. To query this virtual server from othe
machines on the network you need to know its IP address and this is nothin
but the cluster IP address



--
Regards
Shon Sha
Software Test Enginee
Microsoft Cluster Serve

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"Mike" <anonymous (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in messag
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Quote:
Thanks Uttam
I found that one of the problems by using the DSN to connect to th
virtual cluster IP was that when the cluster failed over, the applicatio
and web servers lost thier connection. I updated the IP's and it work
correctly now
Quote:
That leaves me with a new question..
Whats the difference between the SQL IP and the Cluster IP
----- Uttam Parui[MS] wrote: ----
If SQL is using cluster IP, I would change it to listen on SQL IP. I
yo
are using SQL Server 2000 then its very easy to do this. This articl
ma
be helpful to yo
HOWTO: Change the Network IP Addresses on a Virtual SQL Serve
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=24498
HTH
Uttam Paru
SQL Server Developer Support Engineer, MCDBA, MCSE, MC
Product Support Service
Microsoft Corporatio
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers n
rights
Are you secure? For information about the Strategic Technolog
Protectio
Program and to order your FREE Security Tool Kit, please visi
http://www.microsoft.com/security


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