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Joe K.
 
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Default Change from Active\Active to Active\Passive Cluster - 02-23-2005 , 08:47 AM







I have a SQL Server 2000 Cluster with Windows 2000 Server.
The Cluster was set up as a Active\Active and I would like to change it to
Active\Passive.

What do I need to change go from Active\Active to Active\Passive?

Thanks,

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Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)
 
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Default RE: Change from Active\Active to Active\Passive Cluster - 02-23-2005 , 09:07 AM






Hi

Active/Active vs Active/Passive in SQL server tems is not correct.

Active/Active = 2 SQL Server instances, one running on each node.
Active/Passive = 1 SQL Server instance, running on a Node, with the other
node doing nothing but waiting for a failover.

Uninstall one SQL server instance and you have what you want. Any reason you
want to do this?

Regards
Mike

"Joe K." wrote:

Quote:
I have a SQL Server 2000 Cluster with Windows 2000 Server.
The Cluster was set up as a Active\Active and I would like to change it to
Active\Passive.

What do I need to change go from Active\Active to Active\Passive?

Thanks,

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Todd
 
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Default RE: Change from Active\Active to Active\Passive Cluster - 02-23-2005 , 02:21 PM



Mike - Are you recommending not to run an active/passive cluster config?

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Quote:
Hi

Active/Active vs Active/Passive in SQL server tems is not correct.

Active/Active = 2 SQL Server instances, one running on each node.
Active/Passive = 1 SQL Server instance, running on a Node, with the other
node doing nothing but waiting for a failover.

Uninstall one SQL server instance and you have what you want. Any reason you
want to do this?

Regards
Mike

"Joe K." wrote:


I have a SQL Server 2000 Cluster with Windows 2000 Server.
The Cluster was set up as a Active\Active and I would like to change it to
Active\Passive.

What do I need to change go from Active\Active to Active\Passive?

Thanks,

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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\)
 
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Default Re: Change from Active\Active to Active\Passive Cluster - 02-23-2005 , 02:31 PM



Hi

No, but the decision must be based on business requirements.
If you need 2 instances of SQL Server, run them.

At work, we use put 4-6 instances per node on a SQL Cluster (= 8-12 per 2
node cluster). Our perspective is that having one machine do nothing is a
waste of space and energy.

Single Instance (Active/Passive), from a licensing perspective is cheaper,
you only need to license the single node as the other node is DR and is not
active.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Todd" <Todd (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Mike - Are you recommending not to run an active/passive cluster config?

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Hi

Active/Active vs Active/Passive in SQL server tems is not correct.

Active/Active = 2 SQL Server instances, one running on each node.
Active/Passive = 1 SQL Server instance, running on a Node, with the
other
node doing nothing but waiting for a failover.

Uninstall one SQL server instance and you have what you want. Any reason
you
want to do this?

Regards
Mike

"Joe K." wrote:


I have a SQL Server 2000 Cluster with Windows 2000 Server.
The Cluster was set up as a Active\Active and I would like to change
it to
Active\Passive.

What do I need to change go from Active\Active to Active\Passive?

Thanks,



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Todd
 
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Default Re: Change from Active\Active to Active\Passive Cluster - 02-23-2005 , 02:41 PM



I agree Mike. At work we use all active/passive clusters (4 total clusters
with 2 nodes in each) and run only a single instance on each active node. We
are doing a mass db consolidation project now and will likely go the path of
a multinode cluster as that will best suit our business needs.
Do you run different coalition settings on your 4-6 instances per node?

Thanks,
Todd

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Quote:
Hi

No, but the decision must be based on business requirements.
If you need 2 instances of SQL Server, run them.

At work, we use put 4-6 instances per node on a SQL Cluster (= 8-12 per 2
node cluster). Our perspective is that having one machine do nothing is a
waste of space and energy.

Single Instance (Active/Passive), from a licensing perspective is cheaper,
you only need to license the single node as the other node is DR and is not
active.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Todd" <Todd (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:90355A4B-87CE-4B14-8C2C-AC0D909D1981 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Mike - Are you recommending not to run an active/passive cluster config?

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Hi

Active/Active vs Active/Passive in SQL server tems is not correct.

Active/Active = 2 SQL Server instances, one running on each node.
Active/Passive = 1 SQL Server instance, running on a Node, with the
other
node doing nothing but waiting for a failover.

Uninstall one SQL server instance and you have what you want. Any reason
you
want to do this?

Regards
Mike

"Joe K." wrote:


I have a SQL Server 2000 Cluster with Windows 2000 Server.
The Cluster was set up as a Active\Active and I would like to change
it to
Active\Passive.

What do I need to change go from Active\Active to Active\Passive?

Thanks,




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Mike Epprecht \(SQL MVP\)
 
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Default Re: Change from Active\Active to Active\Passive Cluster - 02-23-2005 , 02:46 PM



Hi

No, Same collation. For us, multi-instances are there for security (bank),
to keep everyone away from each other.
It also makes it easier to add more nodes if we need to, so we then move the
instances around.

Once you start to have more than 2 busy instances, you better have a decent
SAN (EMC, biiiig EMC's) that can sustain the throughput. Multi fiber cards,
multi paths etc.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Todd" <Todd (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
I agree Mike. At work we use all active/passive clusters (4 total
clusters
with 2 nodes in each) and run only a single instance on each active node.
We
are doing a mass db consolidation project now and will likely go the path
of
a multinode cluster as that will best suit our business needs.
Do you run different coalition settings on your 4-6 instances per node?

Thanks,
Todd

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Hi

No, but the decision must be based on business requirements.
If you need 2 instances of SQL Server, run them.

At work, we use put 4-6 instances per node on a SQL Cluster (= 8-12 per
2
node cluster). Our perspective is that having one machine do nothing is
a
waste of space and energy.

Single Instance (Active/Passive), from a licensing perspective is
cheaper,
you only need to license the single node as the other node is DR and is
not
active.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Todd" <Todd (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:90355A4B-87CE-4B14-8C2C-AC0D909D1981 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Mike - Are you recommending not to run an active/passive cluster
config?

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Hi

Active/Active vs Active/Passive in SQL server tems is not correct.

Active/Active = 2 SQL Server instances, one running on each node.
Active/Passive = 1 SQL Server instance, running on a Node, with the
other
node doing nothing but waiting for a failover.

Uninstall one SQL server instance and you have what you want. Any
reason
you
want to do this?

Regards
Mike

"Joe K." wrote:


I have a SQL Server 2000 Cluster with Windows 2000 Server.
The Cluster was set up as a Active\Active and I would like to
change
it to
Active\Passive.

What do I need to change go from Active\Active to Active\Passive?

Thanks,






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Geoff N. Hiten
 
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Default Re: Change from Active\Active to Active\Passive Cluster - 02-23-2005 , 08:52 PM



I agree 100% with Mike. I run a large N-1 cluster (N Nodes, N-1 Instances)
so I have one stand-by node for three active instances. I have scripts to
change the cluster failover order depending on what maintenance is
happening. I also can change memory settings and collapse the cluster on a
single node during low activity times for host node maintenance. It takes a
few extra steps to manage a large, multi-instance cluster, but the same
principles apply.

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Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
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I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Hi

No, Same collation. For us, multi-instances are there for security (bank),
to keep everyone away from each other.
It also makes it easier to add more nodes if we need to, so we then move
the
instances around.

Once you start to have more than 2 busy instances, you better have a
decent
SAN (EMC, biiiig EMC's) that can sustain the throughput. Multi fiber
cards,
multi paths etc.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Todd" <Todd (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:23520408-C115-496C-9D33-A5313C3424C2 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
I agree Mike. At work we use all active/passive clusters (4 total
clusters
with 2 nodes in each) and run only a single instance on each active
node.
We
are doing a mass db consolidation project now and will likely go the
path
of
a multinode cluster as that will best suit our business needs.
Do you run different coalition settings on your 4-6 instances per node?

Thanks,
Todd

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Hi

No, but the decision must be based on business requirements.
If you need 2 instances of SQL Server, run them.

At work, we use put 4-6 instances per node on a SQL Cluster (= 8-12
per
2
node cluster). Our perspective is that having one machine do nothing
is
a
waste of space and energy.

Single Instance (Active/Passive), from a licensing perspective is
cheaper,
you only need to license the single node as the other node is DR and
is
not
active.

Regards
--------------------------------
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland

IM: mike (AT) epprecht (DOT) net

MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp

Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/

"Todd" <Todd (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:90355A4B-87CE-4B14-8C2C-AC0D909D1981 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Mike - Are you recommending not to run an active/passive cluster
config?

"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" wrote:

Hi

Active/Active vs Active/Passive in SQL server tems is not correct.

Active/Active = 2 SQL Server instances, one running on each node.
Active/Passive = 1 SQL Server instance, running on a Node, with
the
other
node doing nothing but waiting for a failover.

Uninstall one SQL server instance and you have what you want. Any
reason
you
want to do this?

Regards
Mike

"Joe K." wrote:


I have a SQL Server 2000 Cluster with Windows 2000 Server.
The Cluster was set up as a Active\Active and I would like to
change
it to
Active\Passive.

What do I need to change go from Active\Active to
Active\Passive?

Thanks,








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