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Hi everybody, due to a busy server (the 2nd node), I couldn't install the two nodes in one step, and I was forced to install a cluster with one node, and bring it online with the production database. Now everything works fine (in one node of course) and I'd like to install the second node. I've just installed windows 2003 sp1 in the 2nd node server, but i'm not sure the correct steps to add a second node with the first one in production. If you have any information, I'll really apreciate it. Thanks Patrick. |
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Geoff, thanks. It seems very simple, but I have some doubts. Is there any risk with the databases or the shared directories in the SAN?. I read some information about the clusters and the posibility of corrupt data if both are online at the same time.... is that true? Thanks again. Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:ew7kcrwWFHA.2796 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... BOL covers exactly this topic under "Maintaining a Failover Cluster" Index search "Failover Clustering". Choose maintaining. the first topic on teh page is "Adding a Node to an existing Virtual Server". Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OOYALjwWFHA.3828 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Hi everybody, due to a busy server (the 2nd node), I couldn't install the two nodes in one step, and I was forced to install a cluster with one node, and bring it online with the production database. Now everything works fine (in one node of course) and I'd like to install the second node. I've just installed windows 2003 sp1 in the 2nd node server, but i'm not sure the correct steps to add a second node with the first one in production. If you have any information, I'll really apreciate it. Thanks Patrick. |
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BOL covers exactly this topic under "Maintaining a Failover Cluster" Index search "Failover Clustering". Choose maintaining. the first topic on teh page is "Adding a Node to an existing Virtual Server". Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OOYALjwWFHA.3828 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Hi everybody, due to a busy server (the 2nd node), I couldn't install the two nodes in one step, and I was forced to install a cluster with one node, and bring it online with the production database. Now everything works fine (in one node of course) and I'd like to install the second node. I've just installed windows 2003 sp1 in the 2nd node server, but i'm not sure the correct steps to add a second node with the first one in production. If you have any information, I'll really apreciate it. Thanks Patrick. |
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The only risk of data corruption is before the LUNs are tagged as cluster disks. Until then, both nodes will try and mount them, typically with bad results. Once the cluster service writes an intentionally mangled signature on the disks, the OS thinks they are foreign partitions and won't try and mount them directly. You will need to do whatever your SAN vendor/software requires so the new node can see the LUNs as well as the old node. You will likely have to reboot the new node so it can see the LUNs as disks. Then you can add the node with the cluster wizard (here is where Windows 2003 makes it a lot easier) and finally add the SQL instance per BOL. Don't forget to apply any service packs and hotfixes to the new node. Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uoBewVxWFHA.3324 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Geoff, thanks. It seems very simple, but I have some doubts. Is there any risk with the databases or the shared directories in the SAN?. I read some information about the clusters and the posibility of corrupt data if both are online at the same time.... is that true? Thanks again. Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:ew7kcrwWFHA.2796 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... BOL covers exactly this topic under "Maintaining a Failover Cluster" Index search "Failover Clustering". Choose maintaining. the first topic on teh page is "Adding a Node to an existing Virtual Server". Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OOYALjwWFHA.3828 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Hi everybody, due to a busy server (the 2nd node), I couldn't install the two nodes in one step, and I was forced to install a cluster with one node, and bring it online with the production database. Now everything works fine (in one node of course) and I'd like to install the second node. I've just installed windows 2003 sp1 in the 2nd node server, but i'm not sure the correct steps to add a second node with the first one in production. If you have any information, I'll really apreciate it. Thanks Patrick. |
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thanks again. I'll try it today..... Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:eNLG5ZxWFHA.2288 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP14 (DOT) phx.gbl... The only risk of data corruption is before the LUNs are tagged as cluster disks. Until then, both nodes will try and mount them, typically with bad results. Once the cluster service writes an intentionally mangled signature on the disks, the OS thinks they are foreign partitions and won't try and mount them directly. You will need to do whatever your SAN vendor/software requires so the new node can see the LUNs as well as the old node. You will likely have to reboot the new node so it can see the LUNs as disks. Then you can add the node with the cluster wizard (here is where Windows 2003 makes it a lot easier) and finally add the SQL instance per BOL. Don't forget to apply any service packs and hotfixes to the new node. Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uoBewVxWFHA.3324 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Geoff, thanks. It seems very simple, but I have some doubts. Is there any risk with the databases or the shared directories in the SAN?. I read some information about the clusters and the posibility of corrupt data if both are online at the same time.... is that true? Thanks again. Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:ew7kcrwWFHA.2796 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... BOL covers exactly this topic under "Maintaining a Failover Cluster" Index search "Failover Clustering". Choose maintaining. the first topic on teh page is "Adding a Node to an existing Virtual Server". Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OOYALjwWFHA.3828 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Hi everybody, due to a busy server (the 2nd node), I couldn't install the two nodes in one step, and I was forced to install a cluster with one node, and bring it online with the production database. Now everything works fine (in one node of course) and I'd like to install the second node. I've just installed windows 2003 sp1 in the 2nd node server, but i'm not sure the correct steps to add a second node with the first one in production. If you have any information, I'll really apreciate it. Thanks Patrick. |
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Geoff, almost everything works fine. The only problem I had was the path of the sqlserver service excecutable, i.e., the path of the file sqlserver.exe. In the second node I received the "access is denied" error when I tried to start the service. That was because the path was configured as "\\SQL02\c$\program~1\....." in the service, and the user who was configured to start the service cannot access that path. I changed the user to a more powerful user and it works great, but I don't like that solution. I think I can change the path in the registry, and use a less power user... what to you think about that? Patrick. "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje news:OOg2eeyWFHA.616 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP12 (DOT) phx.gbl... thanks again. I'll try it today..... Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:eNLG5ZxWFHA.2288 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP14 (DOT) phx.gbl... The only risk of data corruption is before the LUNs are tagged as cluster disks. Until then, both nodes will try and mount them, typically with bad results. Once the cluster service writes an intentionally mangled signature on the disks, the OS thinks they are foreign partitions and won't try and mount them directly. You will need to do whatever your SAN vendor/software requires so the new node can see the LUNs as well as the old node. You will likely have to reboot the new node so it can see the LUNs as disks. Then you can add the node with the cluster wizard (here is where Windows 2003 makes it a lot easier) and finally add the SQL instance per BOL. Don't forget to apply any service packs and hotfixes to the new node. Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uoBewVxWFHA.3324 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Geoff, thanks. It seems very simple, but I have some doubts. Is there any risk with the databases or the shared directories in the SAN?. I read some information about the clusters and the posibility of corrupt data if both are online at the same time.... is that true? Thanks again. Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:ew7kcrwWFHA.2796 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... BOL covers exactly this topic under "Maintaining a Failover Cluster" Index search "Failover Clustering". Choose maintaining. the first topic on teh page is "Adding a Node to an existing Virtual Server". Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OOYALjwWFHA.3828 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Hi everybody, due to a busy server (the 2nd node), I couldn't install the two nodes in one step, and I was forced to install a cluster with one node, and bring it online with the production database. Now everything works fine (in one node of course) and I'd like to install the second node. I've just installed windows 2003 sp1 in the 2nd node server, but i'm not sure the correct steps to add a second node with the first one in production. If you have any information, I'll really apreciate it. Thanks Patrick. |
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On a cluster, the SQL service account, the cluster service account, and the install account must be domain users in the local administrators group on all nodes. Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e1L7dP8WFHA.2664 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl... Geoff, almost everything works fine. The only problem I had was the path of the sqlserver service excecutable, i.e., the path of the file sqlserver.exe. In the second node I received the "access is denied" error when I tried to start the service. That was because the path was configured as "\\SQL02\c$\program~1\....." in the service, and the user who was configured to start the service cannot access that path. I changed the user to a more powerful user and it works great, but I don't like that solution. I think I can change the path in the registry, and use a less power user... what to you think about that? Patrick. "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje news:OOg2eeyWFHA.616 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP12 (DOT) phx.gbl... thanks again. I'll try it today..... Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:eNLG5ZxWFHA.2288 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP14 (DOT) phx.gbl... The only risk of data corruption is before the LUNs are tagged as cluster disks. Until then, both nodes will try and mount them, typically with bad results. Once the cluster service writes an intentionally mangled signature on the disks, the OS thinks they are foreign partitions and won't try and mount them directly. You will need to do whatever your SAN vendor/software requires so the new node can see the LUNs as well as the old node. You will likely have to reboot the new node so it can see the LUNs as disks. Then you can add the node with the cluster wizard (here is where Windows 2003 makes it a lot easier) and finally add the SQL instance per BOL. Don't forget to apply any service packs and hotfixes to the new node. Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uoBewVxWFHA.3324 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Geoff, thanks. It seems very simple, but I have some doubts. Is there any risk with the databases or the shared directories in the SAN?. I read some information about the clusters and the posibility of corrupt data if both are online at the same time.... is that true? Thanks again. Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:ew7kcrwWFHA.2796 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... BOL covers exactly this topic under "Maintaining a Failover Cluster" Index search "Failover Clustering". Choose maintaining. the first topic on teh page is "Adding a Node to an existing Virtual Server". Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OOYALjwWFHA.3828 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Hi everybody, due to a busy server (the 2nd node), I couldn't install the two nodes in one step, and I was forced to install a cluster with one node, and bring it online with the production database. Now everything works fine (in one node of course) and I'd like to install the second node. I've just installed windows 2003 sp1 in the 2nd node server, but i'm not sure the correct steps to add a second node with the first one in production. If you have any information, I'll really apreciate it. Thanks Patrick. |
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Patrick, I'm wondering if you got your second node setup correctly, and what steps you took to get it working correctly. I have basically the same situation, except that we're running 2000 Advanced Server with a SCSI attached storage array. I followed the steps on the following URL, but each time I did this the cluster service on node 2 hung in the starting state, ending in an eventual hard reset of the server (ouch). http://www.windowscluster.com/msdocs/stepbystep.htm At this point I'd rather hire an expert who's done this a bunch, so I'm not tinkering with a production system, but I'm having trouble finding a local consultant (Orange County California) that I know is qualified and knows what they're doing. Our system has been like this for over a year, as I inherited it from the knucklehead that didn't set it up correctly in the first place. -- Patrick Rouse Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server http://www.workthin.com "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote: On a cluster, the SQL service account, the cluster service account, and the install account must be domain users in the local administrators group on all nodes. Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e1L7dP8WFHA.2664 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP15 (DOT) phx.gbl... Geoff, almost everything works fine. The only problem I had was the path of the sqlserver service excecutable, i.e., the path of the file sqlserver.exe. In the second node I received the "access is denied" error when I tried to start the service. That was because the path was configured as "\\SQL02\c$\program~1\....." in the service, and the user who was configured to start the service cannot access that path. I changed the user to a more powerful user and it works great, but I don't like that solution. I think I can change the path in the registry, and use a less power user... what to you think about that? Patrick. "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje news:OOg2eeyWFHA.616 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP12 (DOT) phx.gbl... thanks again. I'll try it today..... Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:eNLG5ZxWFHA.2288 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP14 (DOT) phx.gbl... The only risk of data corruption is before the LUNs are tagged as cluster disks. Until then, both nodes will try and mount them, typically with bad results. Once the cluster service writes an intentionally mangled signature on the disks, the OS thinks they are foreign partitions and won't try and mount them directly. You will need to do whatever your SAN vendor/software requires so the new node can see the LUNs as well as the old node. You will likely have to reboot the new node so it can see the LUNs as disks. Then you can add the node with the cluster wizard (here is where Windows 2003 makes it a lot easier) and finally add the SQL instance per BOL. Don't forget to apply any service packs and hotfixes to the new node. Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uoBewVxWFHA.3324 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... Geoff, thanks. It seems very simple, but I have some doubts. Is there any risk with the databases or the shared directories in the SAN?. I read some information about the clusters and the posibility of corrupt data if both are online at the same time.... is that true? Thanks again. Patrick. "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:ew7kcrwWFHA.2796 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP09 (DOT) phx.gbl... BOL covers exactly this topic under "Maintaining a Failover Cluster" Index search "Failover Clustering". Choose maintaining. the first topic on teh page is "Adding a Node to an existing Virtual Server". Geoff N. Hiten Microsoft SQL Server MVP "Patrick Mac Kay" <pmackay_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OOYALjwWFHA.3828 (AT) TK2MSFTNGP10 (DOT) phx.gbl... Hi everybody, due to a busy server (the 2nd node), I couldn't install the two nodes in one step, and I was forced to install a cluster with one node, and bring it online with the production database. Now everything works fine (in one node of course) and I'd like to install the second node. I've just installed windows 2003 sp1 in the 2nd node server, but i'm not sure the correct steps to add a second node with the first one in production. If you have any information, I'll really apreciate it. Thanks Patrick. |
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