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Default MSSQL Client Software? - 02-16-2005 , 10:57 AM






We have Windows XP workstations and I'm trying to figure out what this
Client software is? Can anyone give me some information on this?

Installing MSSQL Client Software
Before installing the application, you will need to install your MSSQL
Client software that
matches the version of your MSSQL server. After installing the Client
software, it is a good idea to test
your connection to the MSSQL database. Be sure to remember your Server Name
and
Database Name for the Database, as you'll need it during the installation.



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Default Re: MSSQL Client Software? - 02-16-2005 , 11:02 AM






Jamie wrote:
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We have Windows XP workstations and I'm trying to figure out what this
Client software is? Can anyone give me some information on this?

Installing MSSQL Client Software
Before installing the application, you will need to install your MSSQL
Client software that
matches the version of your MSSQL server. After installing the Client
software, it is a good idea to test
your connection to the MSSQL database. Be sure to remember your
Server Name and
Database Name for the Database, as you'll need it during the
installation.
That refers to the SQL Server Client Tools that come with SQL Server.
They are installed directly from the SQL Server CD.

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Imceda Software
www.imceda.com



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Default Re: MSSQL Client Software? - 02-16-2005 , 12:03 PM



What do these SQL client tools provide that establish the connection?


"David Gugick" <davidg-nospam (AT) imceda (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Jamie wrote:
We have Windows XP workstations and I'm trying to figure out what this
Client software is? Can anyone give me some information on this?

Installing MSSQL Client Software
Before installing the application, you will need to install your MSSQL
Client software that
matches the version of your MSSQL server. After installing the Client
software, it is a good idea to test
your connection to the MSSQL database. Be sure to remember your
Server Name and
Database Name for the Database, as you'll need it during the
installation.

That refers to the SQL Server Client Tools that come with SQL Server. They
are installed directly from the SQL Server CD.

--
David Gugick
Imceda Software
www.imceda.com



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Default Re: MSSQL Client Software? - 02-16-2005 , 01:31 PM



Jamie wrote:
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What do these SQL client tools provide that establish the connection?

They install some native drivers in addition to the tools themselves.
Most client applications require installation of MDAC, but nothing more,
for SQL Server access. I can only guess whatever you're installing has
some need to access the client tools. No way of knowing, however. Maybe
if you provide more information about what you're doing.

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David Gugick
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Default Re: MSSQL Client Software? - 02-16-2005 , 02:50 PM



That is what they say. I just don't understand why? I have never had an
application need this and it makes me wonder why they wrote theirs to need
this.

As far as MDAC isn't this automatically already on XP? I have other apps
that need MDAC and it doesn't install MDAC with XP like it used to with 98.

I know it needs this file - ntwdblib.dll and I guess the client installs
this file. Is there any reason why it would need others or do you know what
this file does?

Jamie

"David Gugick" <davidg-nospam (AT) imceda (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Jamie wrote:
What do these SQL client tools provide that establish the connection?


They install some native drivers in addition to the tools themselves. Most
client applications require installation of MDAC, but nothing more, for
SQL Server access. I can only guess whatever you're installing has some
need to access the client tools. No way of knowing, however. Maybe if you
provide more information about what you're doing.

--
David Gugick
Imceda Software
www.imceda.com



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Default Re: MSSQL Client Software? - 02-16-2005 , 04:38 PM



Jamie wrote:
Quote:
That is what they say. I just don't understand why? I have never
had an application need this and it makes me wonder why they wrote
theirs to need this.

As far as MDAC isn't this automatically already on XP? I have other
apps that need MDAC and it doesn't install MDAC with XP like it used
to with 98.
I know it needs this file - ntwdblib.dll and I guess the client
installs this file. Is there any reason why it would need others or
do you know what this file does?

Jamie
ntwdblib.dll is the client library for dbLib. I think it's a SQL 7 DLL
and not a SQL 200 one. not sure. Why not contact the software
manufacturer and see why the client tools are required. Maybe the
application uses tools like OSQL or BCP.

--
David Gugick
Imceda Software
www.imceda.com



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Joe Yong
 
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Default Re: MSSQL Client Software? - 02-18-2005 , 04:51 PM



AFAIK, dblib has not been updated in SQL Server 2000 from the previous
version. Microsoft has made it clear years back that dblib is a dead-end so
if folks continue to develop on dblib, they're asking for trouble.

As for the "client software", that's probably just a generic set of
instructions from the ISVs especially if they support other databases like
Oracle (which has a big client component and we're not even talking tools
here). Apart from that, David's guess on apps is about as close as it gets.


joe.


"David Gugick" <davidg-nospam (AT) imceda (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Jamie wrote:
That is what they say. I just don't understand why? I have never
had an application need this and it makes me wonder why they wrote
theirs to need this.

As far as MDAC isn't this automatically already on XP? I have other
apps that need MDAC and it doesn't install MDAC with XP like it used
to with 98.
I know it needs this file - ntwdblib.dll and I guess the client
installs this file. Is there any reason why it would need others or
do you know what this file does?

Jamie

ntwdblib.dll is the client library for dbLib. I think it's a SQL 7 DLL and
not a SQL 200 one. not sure. Why not contact the software manufacturer and
see why the client tools are required. Maybe the application uses tools
like OSQL or BCP.

--
David Gugick
Imceda Software
www.imceda.com



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Default Re: MSSQL Client Software? - 02-24-2005 , 07:17 AM



We were told we needed to install the SQL client after the purchase of the
software.
We didn't understand why (had SQL admin on hand) and they ended up providing
this ntwdblib.dll and told us to just put it in the System32 folder.
Since this the application works but we have had some weird issues with
saving records and I didn't know if we were missing something from teh SQL
tools. This was the reason for my post to understand the SQL tools and try
to find a reason for our issues. Logs have not provided any information on
the PC's, Server, Router or switches. Sometimes waiting it out fixes the
issue sometimes it requires a complete server reboot.

Any information on the ntwdblib.dll file that Microsoft isn't supporting
this?


"Joe Yong" <jyongNOSPAM (AT) scalabilityexperts (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
AFAIK, dblib has not been updated in SQL Server 2000 from the previous
version. Microsoft has made it clear years back that dblib is a dead-end
so if folks continue to develop on dblib, they're asking for trouble.

As for the "client software", that's probably just a generic set of
instructions from the ISVs especially if they support other databases like
Oracle (which has a big client component and we're not even talking tools
here). Apart from that, David's guess on apps is about as close as it
gets.


joe.


"David Gugick" <davidg-nospam (AT) imceda (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Jamie wrote:
That is what they say. I just don't understand why? I have never
had an application need this and it makes me wonder why they wrote
theirs to need this.

As far as MDAC isn't this automatically already on XP? I have other
apps that need MDAC and it doesn't install MDAC with XP like it used
to with 98.
I know it needs this file - ntwdblib.dll and I guess the client
installs this file. Is there any reason why it would need others or
do you know what this file does?

Jamie

ntwdblib.dll is the client library for dbLib. I think it's a SQL 7 DLL
and not a SQL 200 one. not sure. Why not contact the software
manufacturer and see why the client tools are required. Maybe the
application uses tools like OSQL or BCP.

--
David Gugick
Imceda Software
www.imceda.com





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Default Re: MSSQL Client Software? - 02-24-2005 , 07:21 AM



David they really don't or won't explain why the tools are needed. They
will just say they are needed. They act like it is common when I'm under
the impression that this is very very uncommon.

"David Gugick" <davidg-nospam (AT) imceda (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Jamie wrote:
That is what they say. I just don't understand why? I have never
had an application need this and it makes me wonder why they wrote
theirs to need this.

As far as MDAC isn't this automatically already on XP? I have other
apps that need MDAC and it doesn't install MDAC with XP like it used
to with 98.
I know it needs this file - ntwdblib.dll and I guess the client
installs this file. Is there any reason why it would need others or
do you know what this file does?

Jamie

ntwdblib.dll is the client library for dbLib. I think it's a SQL 7 DLL and
not a SQL 200 one. not sure. Why not contact the software manufacturer and
see why the client tools are required. Maybe the application uses tools
like OSQL or BCP.

--
David Gugick
Imceda Software
www.imceda.com



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