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Jeff_B
 
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Default Re: Installing SQL Server 2005 on a PC that has Visual Studio 2008 - 04-17-2009 , 10:50 AM






Thanks for the reply Rick and Paul,

I haven't explored every nook of Paul's reply, and appreciate your
candor Rick. Thinking over what I've read so far, without other replies, it
seems MS VS2008 has painted itself into a corner with respect to SQL Server
2005 support.

Is there an avenue with customer service I can pursue without paying
$99 or $259 (money I don't have) to lodge a support request ?

Seems to me two simple and traditional practices have been violated:
1) backward compatibility, and 2) shipping 2 products in same package that
have a clear incompatibilty. I believe I have a reasonable expectation of
compatibility and useful functionality, which of course led to my purchase.

Let me know if you need my phone number, email address, etc.

TIA, Jeff_B


"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

Quote:
Sorry I was not feeling well Wednesday and was out sick on Thursday. I
missed that you were using SQL Server2005. I don't actually know anything
about this issue. I just knew that the issue was discussed in the 2008
Release Notes. It looks like that may not be helpful.
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Jeff_B" <JeffB (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:152E604A-3E6D-4816-B8CE-41CACDD12B38 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Hi Rick,

Thanks for quick reply.. but, your link is for SS 2008 and VS 2008.
Are you sayind this applies to SS2005/VS2008 as well ?

If yes, I'll uninstall both, since my first steps had been VS2008,
SS2005, VS2008-SP1, ss2005-SP3. On reinstall, I'll do vs2008, vs2008-sp1,
ss2005, ss2005-sp3.

--Jeff_B




"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

The release notes
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...leaseNotes.htm
has a section about VS 2008. See the part in the middle where is says
Required Actions. Mostly it says to get Visual Studio 2008 SP1.
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Jeff_B" <Jeff_B (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2ADA9498-5FB5-4C4A-A529-B1F1E1F5FF4A (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Hello Brett & Derek,

I have similar problem: I bought VS 2008 Pro-academic which ships
with
SS2005, because I need to find job and they all ask for ssis, ssas,
ssrs,
so..

I install both, get up to vs 2008 sp1 and ssvr 2005 sp3 (2-day
headache
with BSOD til fix 184176) , but no BIDS - SSIS (haven't tried SSAS,
SSRS).

Also, SSrver installed but had not icon for SS BI on start menu,
properties said it needed devenv.exe but couldn't find it, so I pointed
it
to
VS 2008 devenv.exe. I know now it was looking for devenv.exe of VS
2005,
which I don't have.

What do I need to do to install ss2005 BIDS so I can master SSIS
without
buying/installing (or at least buying) VS 2005 (which school bookstore
no
longer carries) ?

I also need vs2008 to learn latest .NET.

Thanks
Jeff



"Brett" wrote:

Hi Derek,

I had the same problem. Here were my steps to solving the problem.
The
solution was:
Step 1 - Install SQL Server 2005
Step 2 - Install SP3 for SQL Server 2005
Step 3 - Reboot
Step 4 - Install Visual Studio 2008 SP1
Step 5 - Reboot
After your reboot you "should" be able to not only get into Management
Studio but also BIDS. Post back and let us know how it goes. If it
does
not work I will continue to help you find a solution.

SQL Squirrel
http://www.lockergnome.com/sqlsquirrel/


"Derek" <Derek (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8A79952B-B4CB-4155-AAFB-46FBABFD6CB4 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Thank you for your reply. I can get everything except Business
Intelligence
Studio working by installing VS 2008 first patching it up to SP1 and
then
installing SQL 2005. The problem here is the setup program will not
install
VS 2005 components when I have VS 2008 installed. Is it posible to
download
the SSIS templates and just use them with VS 2008? If so where can I
get
them
from?

Installing SQL 2005 first seems to be a non starter. As soon as I
install
VS
2008 I can't even open Management Studio.
--
Derek


"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

The following link to the SQL Server 2008 Release Notes described a
similar
problem. The solution described may help you for SQL Server 2005.
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...leaseNotes.htm
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Derek" <Derek (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:72BB7D90-7645-4D5B-9FF5-1BCE3B47BE1E (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
I am having problems getting SQL Server 2005 and Visual Studio
2008
to
coexist on my PC.

If I install VS 2008 first Business Intelligence Development
Studio
does
not
install and I don't get the SSIS templates in VS 2008.

If I install SQL Server 2005 first it no longer works after I
install
VS
2008.

We have hundreds of legacy DTS jobs to maintain as well so I need
to
install
the backwards compatibility components.

Does anyone know how I can get it all to work at the same time?
--
Derek






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Rick Byham, \(MSFT\)
 
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Default Re: Installing SQL Server 2005 on a PC that has Visual Studio 2008 - 04-17-2009 , 05:22 PM






E-mail me privately at Rick.Byham (AT) microsoft (DOT) com
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Jeff_B" <JeffB (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Thanks for the reply Rick and Paul,

I haven't explored every nook of Paul's reply, and appreciate your
candor Rick. Thinking over what I've read so far, without other replies,
it
seems MS VS2008 has painted itself into a corner with respect to SQL
Server
2005 support.

Is there an avenue with customer service I can pursue without
paying
$99 or $259 (money I don't have) to lodge a support request ?

Seems to me two simple and traditional practices have been
violated:
1) backward compatibility, and 2) shipping 2 products in same package that
have a clear incompatibilty. I believe I have a reasonable expectation of
compatibility and useful functionality, which of course led to my
purchase.

Let me know if you need my phone number, email address, etc.

TIA, Jeff_B


"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

Sorry I was not feeling well Wednesday and was out sick on Thursday. I
missed that you were using SQL Server2005. I don't actually know anything
about this issue. I just knew that the issue was discussed in the 2008
Release Notes. It looks like that may not be helpful.
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Jeff_B" <JeffB (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:152E604A-3E6D-4816-B8CE-41CACDD12B38 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Hi Rick,

Thanks for quick reply.. but, your link is for SS 2008 and VS 2008.
Are you sayind this applies to SS2005/VS2008 as well ?

If yes, I'll uninstall both, since my first steps had been VS2008,
SS2005, VS2008-SP1, ss2005-SP3. On reinstall, I'll do vs2008,
vs2008-sp1,
ss2005, ss2005-sp3.

--Jeff_B




"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

The release notes
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...leaseNotes.htm
has a section about VS 2008. See the part in the middle where is says
Required Actions. Mostly it says to get Visual Studio 2008 SP1.
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Jeff_B" <Jeff_B (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2ADA9498-5FB5-4C4A-A529-B1F1E1F5FF4A (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Hello Brett & Derek,

I have similar problem: I bought VS 2008 Pro-academic which ships
with
SS2005, because I need to find job and they all ask for ssis, ssas,
ssrs,
so..

I install both, get up to vs 2008 sp1 and ssvr 2005 sp3 (2-day
headache
with BSOD til fix 184176) , but no BIDS - SSIS (haven't tried SSAS,
SSRS).

Also, SSrver installed but had not icon for SS BI on start menu,
properties said it needed devenv.exe but couldn't find it, so I
pointed
it
to
VS 2008 devenv.exe. I know now it was looking for devenv.exe of VS
2005,
which I don't have.

What do I need to do to install ss2005 BIDS so I can master SSIS
without
buying/installing (or at least buying) VS 2005 (which school
bookstore
no
longer carries) ?

I also need vs2008 to learn latest .NET.

Thanks
Jeff



"Brett" wrote:

Hi Derek,

I had the same problem. Here were my steps to solving the problem.
The
solution was:
Step 1 - Install SQL Server 2005
Step 2 - Install SP3 for SQL Server 2005
Step 3 - Reboot
Step 4 - Install Visual Studio 2008 SP1
Step 5 - Reboot
After your reboot you "should" be able to not only get into
Management
Studio but also BIDS. Post back and let us know how it goes. If
it
does
not work I will continue to help you find a solution.

SQL Squirrel
http://www.lockergnome.com/sqlsquirrel/


"Derek" <Derek (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8A79952B-B4CB-4155-AAFB-46FBABFD6CB4 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Thank you for your reply. I can get everything except Business
Intelligence
Studio working by installing VS 2008 first patching it up to SP1
and
then
installing SQL 2005. The problem here is the setup program will
not
install
VS 2005 components when I have VS 2008 installed. Is it posible
to
download
the SSIS templates and just use them with VS 2008? If so where
can I
get
them
from?

Installing SQL 2005 first seems to be a non starter. As soon as I
install
VS
2008 I can't even open Management Studio.
--
Derek


"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

The following link to the SQL Server 2008 Release Notes
described a
similar
problem. The solution described may help you for SQL Server
2005.
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...leaseNotes.htm
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no
rights.

"Derek" <Derek (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:72BB7D90-7645-4D5B-9FF5-1BCE3B47BE1E (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
I am having problems getting SQL Server 2005 and Visual Studio
2008
to
coexist on my PC.

If I install VS 2008 first Business Intelligence Development
Studio
does
not
install and I don't get the SSIS templates in VS 2008.

If I install SQL Server 2005 first it no longer works after I
install
VS
2008.

We have hundreds of legacy DTS jobs to maintain as well so I
need
to
install
the backwards compatibility components.

Does anyone know how I can get it all to work at the same
time?
--
Derek







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Gerry Hickman
 
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Default Re: Installing SQL Server 2005 on a PC that has Visual Studio 2008 - 04-20-2009 , 10:37 AM



Hello,

For what it's worth I remember this issue well, and was not pleased at all.
I was an early adopter; getting rid of VS2005 and moving to VS2008 and it
worked well, but as a large organization we had all our production databases
on servers running SQL Server 2005. I could not believe what happened when I
tried to edit my SSIS packages in VS2008 - didn't work, and the only option
seemed to be re-installing VS2005 (BIDS or whatever), which then installed
many old binaries that I didn't want, it also moaned about being run on
Vista, and now sits there as an old package that needs patched.

The overall planning - in terms of compatibility and future vision - seems
poor to me.

I hope there's a work-around.

--
Gerry Hickman
London (UK)

"Jeff_B" <JeffB (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote

Quote:
Thanks for the reply Rick and Paul,

I haven't explored every nook of Paul's reply, and appreciate your
candor Rick. Thinking over what I've read so far, without other replies,
it
seems MS VS2008 has painted itself into a corner with respect to SQL
Server
2005 support.

Is there an avenue with customer service I can pursue without
paying
$99 or $259 (money I don't have) to lodge a support request ?

Seems to me two simple and traditional practices have been
violated:
1) backward compatibility, and 2) shipping 2 products in same package that
have a clear incompatibilty. I believe I have a reasonable expectation of
compatibility and useful functionality, which of course led to my
purchase.

Let me know if you need my phone number, email address, etc.

TIA, Jeff_B


"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

Sorry I was not feeling well Wednesday and was out sick on Thursday. I
missed that you were using SQL Server2005. I don't actually know anything
about this issue. I just knew that the issue was discussed in the 2008
Release Notes. It looks like that may not be helpful.
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Jeff_B" <JeffB (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:152E604A-3E6D-4816-B8CE-41CACDD12B38 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Hi Rick,

Thanks for quick reply.. but, your link is for SS 2008 and VS 2008.
Are you sayind this applies to SS2005/VS2008 as well ?

If yes, I'll uninstall both, since my first steps had been VS2008,
SS2005, VS2008-SP1, ss2005-SP3. On reinstall, I'll do vs2008,
vs2008-sp1,
ss2005, ss2005-sp3.

--Jeff_B




"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

The release notes
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...leaseNotes.htm
has a section about VS 2008. See the part in the middle where is says
Required Actions. Mostly it says to get Visual Studio 2008 SP1.
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Jeff_B" <Jeff_B (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2ADA9498-5FB5-4C4A-A529-B1F1E1F5FF4A (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Hello Brett & Derek,

I have similar problem: I bought VS 2008 Pro-academic which ships
with
SS2005, because I need to find job and they all ask for ssis, ssas,
ssrs,
so..

I install both, get up to vs 2008 sp1 and ssvr 2005 sp3 (2-day
headache
with BSOD til fix 184176) , but no BIDS - SSIS (haven't tried SSAS,
SSRS).

Also, SSrver installed but had not icon for SS BI on start menu,
properties said it needed devenv.exe but couldn't find it, so I
pointed
it
to
VS 2008 devenv.exe. I know now it was looking for devenv.exe of VS
2005,
which I don't have.

What do I need to do to install ss2005 BIDS so I can master SSIS
without
buying/installing (or at least buying) VS 2005 (which school
bookstore
no
longer carries) ?

I also need vs2008 to learn latest .NET.

Thanks
Jeff



"Brett" wrote:

Hi Derek,

I had the same problem. Here were my steps to solving the problem.
The
solution was:
Step 1 - Install SQL Server 2005
Step 2 - Install SP3 for SQL Server 2005
Step 3 - Reboot
Step 4 - Install Visual Studio 2008 SP1
Step 5 - Reboot
After your reboot you "should" be able to not only get into
Management
Studio but also BIDS. Post back and let us know how it goes. If
it
does
not work I will continue to help you find a solution.

SQL Squirrel
http://www.lockergnome.com/sqlsquirrel/


"Derek" <Derek (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8A79952B-B4CB-4155-AAFB-46FBABFD6CB4 (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
Thank you for your reply. I can get everything except Business
Intelligence
Studio working by installing VS 2008 first patching it up to SP1
and
then
installing SQL 2005. The problem here is the setup program will
not
install
VS 2005 components when I have VS 2008 installed. Is it posible
to
download
the SSIS templates and just use them with VS 2008? If so where
can I
get
them
from?

Installing SQL 2005 first seems to be a non starter. As soon as I
install
VS
2008 I can't even open Management Studio.
--
Derek


"Rick Byham, (MSFT)" wrote:

The following link to the SQL Server 2008 Release Notes
described a
similar
problem. The solution described may help you for SQL Server
2005.
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...leaseNotes.htm
--
Rick Byham (MSFT), SQL Server Books Online
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no
rights.

"Derek" <Derek (AT) discussions (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:72BB7D90-7645-4D5B-9FF5-1BCE3B47BE1E (AT) microsoft (DOT) com...
I am having problems getting SQL Server 2005 and Visual Studio
2008
to
coexist on my PC.

If I install VS 2008 first Business Intelligence Development
Studio
does
not
install and I don't get the SSIS templates in VS 2008.

If I install SQL Server 2005 first it no longer works after I
install
VS
2008.

We have hundreds of legacy DTS jobs to maintain as well so I
need
to
install
the backwards compatibility components.

Does anyone know how I can get it all to work at the same
time?
--
Derek







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