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Kris Jurka
 
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Default Re: [BUGS] [JDBC] Error in DatabaseMetaData.getColumns() with Views - 07-04-2004 , 02:21 PM








On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Dario V. Fassi wrote:

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In the sample adjunct, you can see that error arise at the time when the
view's sql text is parsed and saved in database catalog.
Then generic NUMERIC type is forced for every calculated column without
regard or precision.
And at execute time the f2 column has varying type decimals (in row 2
you can see 4 decimals and in other rows has 3 decimals), this is not a
behavior , this is an ERROR.
It isn't clear that an operation like + should retain the same size
restrictions as it's arguments. Consider adding two numeric(6,2) values
of 9999.99, how do you handle the overflow? Your other arguments about the
sizing of derived columns may make sense for your application, but it is
unlikely that they make sense for all users. Note that you can put a cast
into your view definition like so:

CREATER VIEW v AS SELECT (a+b)::numeric(6,2) FROM tab;

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Default Re: [BUGS] [JDBC] Error in DatabaseMetaData.getColumns() with Views - 07-04-2004 , 05:58 PM






On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Kris Jurka wrote:

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On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Dario V. Fassi wrote:

In the sample adjunct, you can see that error arise at the time when the
view's sql text is parsed and saved in database catalog.
Then generic NUMERIC type is forced for every calculated column without
regard or precision.
And at execute time the f2 column has varying type decimals (in row 2
you can see 4 decimals and in other rows has 3 decimals), this is not a
behavior , this is an ERROR.
[Jumping in, because this was the first message of the thread I've seen]

Technically, the correct behavior by spec would be an
implementation-defined precision and a particular scale based on the
argument scales. So, having numeric(6,2)+numeric(6,2) return
numeric(65535, 2) is fine. Returning numeric(65535, 65531) isn't
technically, but I don't think this is an issue in the jdbc metadata
getting as much as an issue in the database proper.


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Default Re: [BUGS] [JDBC] Error in DatabaseMetaData.getColumns() with Views - 07-04-2004 , 07:53 PM



On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Dario V. Fassi wrote:

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Stephan Szabo wrote:

On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Kris Jurka wrote:



On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Dario V. Fassi wrote:



In the sample adjunct, you can see that error arise at the time when the
view's sql text is parsed and saved in database catalog.
Then generic NUMERIC type is forced for every calculated column without
regard or precision.
And at execute time the f2 column has varying type decimals (in row 2
you can see 4 decimals and in other rows has 3 decimals), this is not a
behavior , this is an ERROR.



[Jumping in, because this was the first message of the thread I've seen]

Technically, the correct behavior by spec would be an
implementation-defined precision and a particular scale based on the
argument scales. So, having numeric(6,2)+numeric(6,2) return
numeric(65535, 2) is fine. Returning numeric(65535, 65531) isn't
technically, but I don't think this is an issue in the jdbc metadata
getting as much as an issue in the database proper.


I agree with all your spech but a numeric data type like numeric(65535,
2) isn't a very serious return value.
Why not? If 65535 were the maximal numeric precision (also
implementation-defined IIRC) then it's a reasonable answer, although it
doesn't give a user much information about the expected result range, but
AFAICS that isn't one of the expected properties.

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A value like this could be usefull to eliminate the need of presicion
specification in numeric data type too.
Of course it's a dabase proper issue , but impact in my needs in jdbc
usability.
Since I'm not on -jdbc, I didn't see how it was intended to be used, but I
think it'd be a portability bug to expect it to return only the precision
that the result could take.

Now, the current results are fairly broken because the precision value has
no connection to reality (it's not the maximum precision, and might in
fact be smaller than the actual precision in some absurd cases) and the
scale is wrong if one follows spec. I'm not sure the jdbc driver can do
much better given the backend right now.

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No matter what's technically or not, a behavior at this point like those
of db2/oracle would be very nice ;-)
Probably true. But I don't think it's likely to happen any time soon
unless someone steps up and takes responsibility for making it happen. I
think it'd also be non-trivial for the general case since I think it'd
have to mean that arbitrary functions would have to be able to have some
sort of way of specifying the values for its output.

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Default Re: [BUGS] [JDBC] Error in DatabaseMetaData.getColumns() with Views - 07-04-2004 , 10:36 PM




On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Dario V. Fassi wrote:

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Stephan, look at the samples I send in previous posts , from PgSql and Db2.
I don't see any samples apart from the original view descriptions and the
getColumns results. I see some implication about db2 but no details. My
guess is that the messages are more recent than the last archives update
and since I'm not on -jdbc I wouldn't have seen them. That's pretty much
why I asked.

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I know it's a no ease task to change all that behavior , but you must
agree that a Numeric column with the fractional part varing from row to
row are different data types and break relational rules.
Maybe, but without seeing the example, it's hard to say. For example,
your views from the head of what I see for this on archives, consistently
give me output with a scale of 3.

In addition, PostgreSQL provides a numeric with effectively undefined
precision and scale. This is a non-conforming definition, but means that
while the number of digits after the decimal are different, it's the same
type, numeric with undefined precision and scale.


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