np (AT) sfr (DOT) fr wrote:
Sure.

I think you've got serious problems elsewhere in your system, guessing
from your previous "long long" message.

Try adding this:

#error foo

on line 49 of lib/defs.h and compile your program. (That is, just below
the _WIN32 ifdef.) Do you see the error message?

P.S. Please do not email me directly. Keep this thread on the mailing list.

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Warren Young wrote:
A lot of people are going to do that, because the list isn't set up with a
Reply-To: to send things back to the list, so you have to remember to Reply-All
(which I often forget and realize about 5 minutes later when the msg doesn't
show up and go resend it to the list). And with Reply-All you still end up
sending 2 copies to the original author.

I know the list is hosted by mysql.com, and am not sure if anyone actually has
admin abilities on the list; but if so, could it be changed so that Reply goes
to the list, rather than the author? I think it's much more common for people to
want to send stuff to the list than directly to an author. Every other list I'm
on is set up with a Reply-To: to the list.



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Earl Miles wrote:
This is an ancient battle, and those on either side are pretty well
entrenched. Here's the opposing position:

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Besides, I don't think that most of the personal email traffic I get is
due to this. People think, "Oh, Warren maintains this thing, so he must
know the most about it, so I'll send it to him." The sentiment may be
true, or may not, but that's beside the point. The purpose of the
mailing list is to raise all boats, not free tech support.

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Warren Young wrote:

That, and blind Reply-Alls, forgetting to strip personal addresses
before sending the message. I don't need two copies of every message
replying to messages I sent to the list...

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Warren Young wrote:
Ok, that's one of the more arrogant arguments I've ever read, which uses
a number of repeat arguments to appear as multiple valid points,
completely ignores the obvious opposition arguments on some of the
points, and makes assumptions about mailers that might've been true in
1995 (when elm was still being developed actively) but I'm not sure are
true now.

In any case, I don't intend this to actually debate the point,
obviously, the decision is made and there is no reason to do so, but it
does convince me to no longer bother to delete the extra address when I
hit reply-to, causing the author to get a double copy of the message.



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Earl Miles wrote:

It doesn't matter what you think of the argument, many people out there
hold it. FWIW, the author of that would probably think it arrogant to
hold your position, too. Point is, it's a touchy issue.

?? That's one of the things I _don't_ want. Decide who you want to
respond to: the list, or to the original poster, but never both; and
prefer the list.

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Warren Young wrote:
I haven't given my argument. If my _position_ is arrogant, that might be
another thing; but either way, that information is unknown. Though I
agree that the author of that probably would think that anything that
disagrees with him is quite arrogant. He's already implied that everyone
who disagrees with him is stupid, and arrogant is at least a step up
from that.

I also disagree that it doesn't matter what I think of the argument; an
illogical argument full of fallacies is just that. There is some
credibility to the position, but the argument that author is making is
insulting and unprofessional. It's also quite typical of the internet
community in general.

The argument you cite encourages that behavior, with this point: It
violates the principle of least work because complicates the procedure
for replying to messages.

The author says that 'reply-all' should be plenty good for mailing
lists. Fair enough. (It's possible that I'm crankily disproving that
point by pointing out that I must do more work to properly reply to the
list, but if that's one of the whole reasons for the state of things as
they are, I have no desire to cease doing something I feel I shouldn't
have to do anyway).

To be honest, if I remember to erase the other address in my mailer, I
probably will. I'm not very good at remembering that, and you've seen in
the past from the hordes of doubled-up messages from me. And I don't
know of a mailer that'll do that function automatically. And it's unfair
of you to criticize people for forgetting that, and especially unfair to
criticize people who might not even realize this is happening. There is
a certain expectation about mailing lists, thanks in part to the
majority of bulk lists doing reply-to munging, and this list doesn't
behave to that expectation.

Honestly, I do respect the position of not munging the reply-to, and
there is definitely one point in that list I have no counter for and I
must concede. I personally disagree as to the import of that point but I
also respect that rating that import is a personal decision, and it's
clear you rate that import higher than I do. I should re-iterate that
I'm not actually trying to convince you to change it, but I am pointing
out that there is a side-effect to the current setup, and that
side-effect must be accepted as a consequence. Nothing more than that.

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