My system is running under Windows 98. Does anyone know what
problems there are with trying to use VFP 9? What do I have to avoid
using?

One problem that I had was that on starting, VFP 9 complained
about GDIPLUS.DLL being missing and then aborted. I found the DLL in
"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\VFP" and copied it to
c:\windows\system. That solved that problem. Has anyone else had
this?

Are there any other problems?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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Hello, Gene!

Only the VFP runtime is supported on Windows98, not the IDE. While I had
VFP8 running on Win98 and ME (and I also had the problem with the
gdiplus.dll), I can't tell you if this is a stable environment for VFP9.
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Heya Gene .
Sorry - its not a supported platform for development .
Running a compiled app, yes - but for development ?
MS doesn't support it .

Stop dinking around with marginal OS's and hardware -
also become a MS Empower ISV for about 400 USD,
http://members.microsoft.com/partner...r/default.aspx
and get your MSDN Universal Subscription in this program. [you get
everything MS puts out, including VFP 6,7,8 and 9, when it ships] for 400
USD.

GDI PLUS on Win98 machines is supposed to be supported only at runtime.
The version that lives at
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\VFP
I THINK is a version for VFP runtime [only] and not licensed for VFP
development.
It will work, but the licensing doesn't cover what you are trying to do .

Machines are cheap. Get a new one.
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"Gene Wirchenko" <genew (AT) mail (DOT) ocis.net> wrote

Eric den Doop wrote:
Hm. I have been running VFP8 OK under Win XP, but recently failed to get
it function under Win 98. By which I mean a compiled .exe that I moved
from one to the other. It complains that the run-time library is corrupt
or invalid or something like that. Should this be a problem? I got a
friend to try it with Win 2000, which appears to have generated a
similar error message, which makes me think I'm missing something.

If it's relevant, I haven't tried to do anything special about
installing, just copied the .exe and such .dll's as it complained about.
I haven't tried to install anything directly from the VFP8 CD, since I
was already aware that the development system was not supported.

LF

"swdev2" <efgroup.bob (AT) efgroup (DOT) bob.net> wrote:

It works fine for me. I do not use much of the development IDE
but rarely. I do use the debugger.

It is not marginal for me and works just fine. I see no reason
to spend additional money at this time.

I can run that bit past my boss.

What? I am not allowed to run code?

Not buying a machine is even cheaper. I do not need a new
machine. By not changing to an OS that requires even more resources,
I do not need a new machine.

Put on your systems analyst hat. Some of us do not require new
machines. It is even possible that you do not, but I would not tell
you that without knowing your situation and making sure that such a
statement would be accurate. The courtesy of the same in reverse
would be appreciated.

[snipped previous]

Sincerely,

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Hello, Les!

Take a look at this wiki topic:
http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~VFP8RuntimeFiles~VFP
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Just to be clear ?
we disagree, in toto..
enjoy your win 98 ws.
mondo regards [Bill]

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"Gene Wirchenko" <genew (AT) mail (DOT) ocis.net> wrote

Heya Gene -
one quote taken out of context,
and then a response.
mondo regards [Bill]
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"Gene Wirchenko" <genew (AT) mail (DOT) ocis.net> wrote

I disagree
if you 'keep' your development enviroment in windows 98 ?
you are wasting your time.

and ? not caring about your 'situation', i would state, at about 160 db -
write code on a platform MS supports. IF YOU DON'T - then don't
expect any support from MS.

for those 'some of us' that don't require new machines?
you are not writing for current versions of VFP .
how the h3ll can you support users and clients NOT RUNNING WIN 98 ?
i will assume you can't answer that, cause you lack the background for o/s
deployment and support.
[not an assumption, but fact] .

when i make my systems analyst hat more snug, from a tighter fit, I will
challenge you to
make boot images of the other MS operating systems, and test your install
package
in those other O/S's .

lemme know your results.
and ? i won't respond to you any more until you have 'jumped up' out of your
quagmire.

windows 98, indeed.
sloth-i-ly yours [Bill]
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"swdev2" <efgroup.bob (AT) efgroup (DOT) bob.net> wrote:

Nope. I have no problem using Windows 98. Before you go on
about how lousy it is, let me point out that it was being used at one
time as the latest thing. If your requirements are such that you need
something else, then go with the something else.

My requirements are such that Windows 98 still does the job.
Should this change, then I will be looking at something else. This is
the essence of systems analysis: deciding on which way to go.

VFP 6 runs just fine on Windows 98. Again, it is a case of not
needing the new stuff. If I find that I do need it, then it is time
to change, but before then, it is unnecessary expense of money, time,
and other resources.

That is correct. I am writing for my boss. It matters little
that I write code in the latest and greatest if the code I write does
not do what my boss wants.

What problems would I have trying to run my code in VFP 9?
Probably very little if any since the upwards compatability is there.
I am not using all the bells and whistles of VFP.

Is my code not taking advantage of things that are in later
version? Probably. Would switching make much difference to the end
user? Not too likely. Would it make a difference to my boss? Yes,
because then I would be rewriting instead of writing. He has plenty
of *new* things that he wants.

I would love to rewrite some parts of the app since I have
learned quite a bit in the past years. The existing code works
though. Why rewrite it except for a compelling reason? I would have
to have a good business case for it. Change for the sake of change
will not cut it with my boss.

From my sig collection:

legacy (adj) - A pejorative term used in the computer industry
meaning "it works."

This is an in-house system with one end user. The site where my
system is used has someone for computer systems support. For software
problems, it comes to me. I believe that they are running mainly
Windows 2000. More importantly, they are running successfully.

It *is* an assumption. You do not see that I know my situation.

Irrelevant to my case. I am an applications programmer/analyst.
We have someone to keep the network and applications software running.
Were there any problems with my software, I would get a call or
E-mail. That does not happen very often, fewer than one time per
year. I generally deal with the owner at the business level.

Not in one.

That is right.

Why? Does your system not run fast enough? Mine does.

It is truly amazing how much snobbery there is in having to run
the latest thing. I should be used to it by now.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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"Gene Wirchenko" <genew (AT) mail (DOT) ocis.net> wrote

Single sided floppies were also once the rage. But in this case, I don't
see it as Win98 vs XP, but as 6.0 vs. 8.0. The productivity enhancements
have been huge, and the only reason that you would'nt recoup your expenses
(both in product cost and in training) is if you were . . .

In which case you are spending your boss's money irresponsibly. Why are you
using version 6.0? Why not use 2.0 for DOS? (I'm supporting one such app).
Why stop at 6.0? Probably because you are setting your sights low - you're
concerned about namespaces when you're dealing with a higher level language.
[Using VFP means never having to look up, "namespaces"].

FoxPro does NOT accomplish what other programs cannot. But it does have a
damn fine IDE - and to /not/ spend the time learning how to use the tools
that you have means that you're either ignorant or that you confuse expense
with investment. (Fortunately, ignorance can be treated.)

Do you think that the rest of us switch for the sake of bells and whistles?
Do you think that an individual developer (encompassing the majority of us,
I bet!) isn't especially sensitive to shelling out a few hundred more, just
to have the "latest thing?"

My advice: d/l the 9.0 beta. Ignore the functional enhancements, focus
instead on the IDE, as compared to 6.0. Try using it for a week with your
existing projects. Remember, you're just changing meta tables - it'll still
compile in 6.0.

In fact, I use 8.0 for my dev work on the 2.0 app - I just recompile under
2.0. I don't waste my time editing code in a DOS window, when I have 8.0's
advantages available.

And finally, don't make yourself a dinosaur. You may have a good gig now,
but if you find yourself job hunting?

- Rush

- Rush