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Default Re: Book about query processing / query optimization searched - 10-04-2007 , 11:44 AM






On 4 oct, 18:14, Elcaro Nosille <Elcaro.Nosi... (AT) mailinator (DOT) com> wrote:
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I'm looking for a book that describes query-processing and
query-optimization according to the current state of the art.

Has anyone read the following title?

"Principles of Database Query Processing
for Advanced Applications"
ISBN-10: 1558604340
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1558604340/
A total waste of time and money...(it does cost 67$ !!!)

Except from the first few lines...

*In a relational database, data is organized into table format*




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Default Re: Book about query processing / query optimization searched - 10-04-2007 , 04:50 PM






On 4 oct, 19:05, Elcaro Nosille <Elcaro.Nosi... (AT) mailinator (DOT) com> wrote:
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Cimode schrieb:

A total waste of time and money...(it does cost 67$ !!!)

Why?
Cause you will get a better value by people who do not continuously
redefine RM.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0201485559?...BE2TV51AMAPF4&


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Except from the first few lines...
*In a relational database, data is organized into table format*

Do you think you can estimate the quality of a book by evaluating
the first lines?
I dunno but thanks to some people like F.PASCAL and a few others, I
can smell cookbook declarations and non commitment to terminology from
miles.



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Default Re: Book about query processing / query optimization searched - 10-04-2007 , 04:52 PM



On 4 oct, 19:54, paul c <toledobythe... (AT) ooyah (DOT) ac> wrote:
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Elcaro Nosille wrote:
Cimode schrieb:

A total waste of time and money...(it does cost 67$ !!!)

Why?

Except from the first few lines...
*In a relational database, data is organized into table format*

Do you think you can estimate the quality of a book by evaluating
the first lines?

If the first lines make sense, you might want or need to read more but
if the first line is silly, odds are you don't.

As Groucho Marx said when asked to write a jacket blurb for a supposedly
humourous book: (something like) "from the moment I picked it up until I
put it down I couldn't stop laughing. Some day I'm going to read it".
Or when he simply asks a lady in a room with a cigar in his hand *Do
you mind if I don't smoke?*



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Default Re: Book about query processing / query optimization searched - 10-05-2007 , 09:08 AM



Database Tuning by Dennis Shasha $ Philippe Bonnet (ISBN
1-55860-753-6) is a pretty good overview. But I would head for
academic publications like TODS from ACM and look at articles. Cheap,
fast storage and parallelism in the hardware is changing everything.

--CELKO--




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Default Re: Book about query processing / query optimization searched - 10-12-2007 , 10:15 PM



--CELKO-- wrote:
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Database Tuning by Dennis Shasha $ Philippe Bonnet (ISBN
1-55860-753-6) is a pretty good overview. But I would head for
academic publications like TODS from ACM and look at articles. Cheap,
fast storage and parallelism in the hardware is changing everything.

--CELKO--



hmmm. You've been following my sundry blogging?? Just kidding. But
not about the point. I don't follow hardware all that closely; then I
ran across a reference to an interview with Linus Torvalds, which I
read. In it, he referred to file systems and the looming presence of
solid state disks.

Which got me to thinking: if there's no rotational delay in the file
system, then what happens to the standard objection to the Relational
Database; joins are toooooo sloooow. And then, why not, finally, follow
the mantra: one fact, one place, one time?

Mayhaps this will shut up the knuckleheads.


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Default Re: Book about query processing / query optimization searched - 10-13-2007 , 09:02 AM



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if there's no rotational delay in the file system, then what happens to the standard objection to the Relational Database; joins are toooooo sloooow. And then, why not, finally, follow the mantra: one fact, one place, one time?
I was looking at 8GB memory sticks at Costco yesterday under $20.00.
Look at WX 2 (nee White Cross), Teradata, SAND and Vertica for column
oriented RDBMS products.

In my next book, I carry things one step further. JOINs will become
cheaper than computations in the near future -- they are mostly
equality tests or simple comparisons. So more stuff will be done by
table look up in parallel hardware.



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Default Re: Book about query processing / query optimization searched - 10-14-2007 , 11:31 AM



On 14 oct, 04:43, paul c <toledobythe... (AT) ooyah (DOT) ac> wrote:
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I suppose column-based representations are superior when joins never
involve more than one per relation but the other complications will
attract implementers, as usual. >>
A key fundamental issue...

Question is: how could a column-based physical relation or relation
operation representation be superior in *any* case to some other
representation. Another way to ask the question: could join
consumption of IO resources under a column based system be increasing
any otherwise than exponentially as the number of join operation
increases?



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