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Default Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-27-2003 , 04:10 AM






Final Call for Participation:

Monday, 8 September 2003 (prior to VLDB 2003), Humboldt-University Berlin
(main building).

Invited Talk will be given by Professor Michael Franklin, University of
California at Berkeley:

"Query Processing and XML - A Foundation for Intelligent Networks"

Abstract:

Much has been said about the potential for XML to serve as the basis for
solutions to problems ranging from data and application integration to the
semantic web. As a survivor of the Object-Oriented Database wars, I was
initially hesitant to jump on the XML research bandwagon. Over time,
however, I came to the realization that XML could very well be the answer
to a number of practical problems I had faced in developing systems for
data dissemination, stream processing, and adaptive data management. In
this talk, I will expand on this theme, describing how XML, combined with
techniques developed for database query processing and data management can
be used to provide networked applications with greatly enhanced support
for interconnectivity, adaptivity, and perhaps, even improved efficiency.

Bio:

Michael Franklin is an Associate Professor of Computer Science at the
University of California, Berkeley where his research focuses on the
architecture and performance of distributed databases and information
systems. He spent several years developing database systems at Wang
Laboratories and MCC prior to receiving his Ph.D. from the University of
Wisconsin, Madison in 1993. He served as Program Chair for the 2002 ACM
SIGMOD Conference and is a member of the editorial boards of the ACM
Transactions on Database Systems and the VLDB Journal, the SIGMOD Advisory
Board, and the Board of Trustees of the VLDB Endowment. He is also
currently an Executive-in-Residence at the Mayfield Fund, a venture
capital firm in Menlo Park, CA.


The goal of the new XML database symposium is to provide a high-quality
platform for presentation and discussion of new research results and
system developments in the field.

In addition to the keynote by Mike Franklin, 18 contributions selected
from 65 submissions will be presented within the following sessions:

- XML-Relational DBMS
- XML Query Processing
- Systems and Tools
- XML Access Structures
- Stream Processing and Updates
- Design Issues

The fee for the symposium is 150 Euros and includes the LNCS proceedings
(LNCS no. 2824), attendance to all sessions, coffee breaks and the
symposium dinner.

The symposium takes place at the VLDB 2003 venue, in the main building of
Humboldt University, Central Berlin.

Further information on XSym03 can be found at:
http://www.lirmm.fr/~bella/XSym/

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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-27-2003 , 06:11 AM






Em Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:10:37 -0700, akmal @ deja escreveu:

Quote:
Query Processing and XML - A Foundation for Intelligent Networks"
What is that doing here? Is someone trying to give XML a
theoretical foundation, or is this just spam?


Quote:
- XML-Relational DBMS
Is there such a thing? NOT!


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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-27-2003 , 11:05 AM



On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote:

Quote:
Em Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:10:37 -0700, akmal @ deja escreveu:

Query Processing and XML - A Foundation for Intelligent Networks"

What is that doing here? Is someone trying to give XML a
theoretical foundation, or is this just spam?
What is your problem? The poster may be very relevant to people that read
this group.

Quote:

- XML-Relational DBMS

Is there such a thing? NOT!
See the symposium program. Attend if you wish to learn more.

akmal



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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-27-2003 , 01:43 PM



On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:05:43 +0100, akmal chaudhri wrote:

Quote:
What is that doing here? Is someone trying to give XML a
theoretical foundation, or is this just spam?

What is your problem? The poster may be very relevant to people that read
this group.
Yet off-topic, if there is not even an attempt at a theoretical
foundation to XML data.


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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-27-2003 , 01:54 PM




"Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra" <lgcdutra (AT) terra (DOT) com.br> wrote in
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Quote:
Em Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:10:37 -0700, akmal @ deja escreveu:

Query Processing and XML - A Foundation for Intelligent Networks"

What is that doing here? Is someone trying to give XML a
theoretical foundation, or is this just spam?
Sadly, I never saw anybody adverticing ACM SIGMOD conferences here. Just one
more demonstration that usenet is just a gutter of scientific community:-(




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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-28-2003 , 07:23 PM



Mikito Harakiri wrote:
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"Jan Hidders" <jan.hidders (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote in message
news:8lv3b.6084$HV.28701 (AT) phobos (DOT) telenet-ops.be...
Or what about the excellent paper on normal-forms for XML by
Marcelo Arenas and Leonid Libkin that got the best paper award at
SIGMOD/PODS?

As an outsider I wonder what they (i.e. academy) award criteria are.
There is only one: you have to impress the programm committee. :-) A
meaningless answer, of course, but the point is that there is not really a
"they" and this differs per conference and may even differ a bit the next
year.

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There
are so many "interdiscipline" papers! The process goes usually like this:
"Look ma, wavelets are really cool. What if we apply them to the database
optimization?" Got a paper, got award.
For PODS it's not that simple. You need at least some deep mathematical
results in the sense that they are non-obvious, and you have to show that
these have some practical relevance. The program committee member that I
know usually take their job very seriously. It seems a bit obvious to me
that a paper that breaks new ground gets higher marks then one that
presents more of the same.

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In the Information Dependencies case, the really insightful and much more
well written paper was by Dalkilic&Roberson ([8]). Much less condenced
material, better examples, much better notation -- overall more pleasure
to read. Now, application of information dependency to XML normalization
may be indeed a revolutionary idea (I honestly don't know), but my
suspicion is that the motivation factor was quite similar: "Look, XML
really hot, and Information dependencies are cool. What if we marry them?"
That alone would certainly not have been enough. If I would have to
summarize their major achievement then it is that they managed to
characterize the classical normal forms in an information-theoretic way and
they managed to generalize this for the XML data model, which is important
because the notion of "update anomaly" is less clear there, and justified
that way a normal they had introduced earlier. This has (1) deepened our
insight into the classical normal forms for the nested and flat relational
model and (2) opened the way for more research on normal forms for more
complex data models such as the XML data model.

-- Jan Hidders



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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-28-2003 , 08:22 PM



"Jan Hidders" <jan.hidders (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote

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That alone would certainly not have been enough. If I would have to
summarize their major achievement then it is that they managed to
characterize the classical normal forms in an information-theoretic way
and
they managed to generalize this for the XML data model, which is important
because the notion of "update anomaly" is less clear there, and justified
that way a normal they had introduced earlier. This has (1) deepened our
insight into the classical normal forms for the nested and flat relational
model and (2) opened the way for more research on normal forms for more
complex data models such as the XML data model.
I thought that Dalkilic&Robertson should be credited for #1 (for "flat"
relations, at least).




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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-29-2003 , 03:04 PM



Mikito Harakiri wrote:

Quote:
"Jan Hidders" <jan.hidders (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote in message
news:n2x3b.6238$LD6.306225 (AT) phobos (DOT) telenet-ops.be...
That alone would certainly not have been enough. If I would have to
summarize their major achievement then it is that they managed to
characterize the classical normal forms in an information-theoretic way
and
they managed to generalize this for the XML data model, which is
important because the notion of "update anomaly" is less clear there, and
justified that way a normal they had introduced earlier. This has (1)
deepened our insight into the classical normal forms for the nested and
flat relational model and (2) opened the way for more research on normal
forms for more complex data models such as the XML data model.

I thought that Dalkilic&Robertson should be credited for #1 (for "flat"
relations, at least).
A little, but Arenas and Libkin managed to lift the concepts to schema level
(Dalkilic and Robertson stay at the instance level) which is certainly not
trivial (as they show the "first guess" doesn't work) and essential to get
their results.

Anyway, let's also not forget that the Dalkilic and Robertson paper had to
compete with the likes of Christos Papadimitriou whom you probably know as
the author of the classic work on computational complexity. That's tough
competition. :-)

-- Jan Hidders


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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-30-2003 , 05:04 AM



On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:27:16 +0000, Jan Hidders wrote:

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theoretical issues of the XML data model and query languages where
studied? Surely that would be a bit difficult if there wasn't a theoretical
foundation, now wouldn't it?
Studying isn't necessarily sane.


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Default Re: Final CFP: XML Database Symposium (XSym03) @ VLDB 2003 - 08-31-2003 , 10:05 AM



Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote:

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:27:16 +0000, Jan Hidders wrote:

theoretical issues of the XML data model and query languages where
studied? Surely that would be a bit difficult if there wasn't a
theoretical foundation, now wouldn't it?

Studying isn't necessarily sane.
Let's be honest here, Leandro. You have absolutely no idea wheter XML has a
formal foundation or not. You have never actually checked whether this
claim of yours is true or not, not even after I gave you some references.
You don't have a clue about what the current scientific literature on this
has to say. And you have the gall to accuse Akmal Chaudri of an off-topic
posting?

Interesting,...

-- Jan Hidders



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