I am posting this link because I think it gives an excellent summary
of where we are
in utilizing databases in applications

Your thoughts?

http://thehelsinkideclaration.blogsp...rvation-1.html

Lauri Pietarinen

On Oct 5, 11:28*pm, laurip <lauri.j.pietari... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Why am I not surprised that a class-based programming language is
involved.

On 6 Okt, 15:44, Nilone <rea... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
What class-based programming language are you referring to?

On Oct 6, 5:39*pm, laurip <lauri.j.pietari... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Quoting from the article you linked (which seems to have moved, btw):

"But then at the dawn of the new millenium, something happened. And
that something misteriously made the role of the DBMS inside a
database application project diminish to insignificant. Of course I'm
talking about Java and J2EE here now..."

Java, of course, is a class-based object-oriented programming language.

On Oct 6, 11:04*am, Nilone <rea... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
I suppose you could say that "...a class-based programming language is
involved." in much the same way you might say that Codd's papers
involved a hierarchical data model.

On Oct 7, 5:50*am, TroyK <cs_tr... (AT) juno (DOT) com> wrote:
When I made that post, I had only read part 1. I have now read all 4
parts.

Many of the issues described have been discussed in this group in the
past. If the author or the OP can offer any solutions, I'll be
interested in hearing about it. My hobby horse at the moment is to
understand the problems of entities and objects.

I think he does offer solutions, in later posts. It's the "Fat
Database".

Regarding the object/relational missmatch, i think this is a pretty
good summary
of the situation "on the ground":

http://blogs.tedneward.com/2006/06/2...r+Science.aspx

Lauri

Nilone wrote:

Leave such concepts to artisans. Entertaining those two concepts
(whatever one thinks they are) is the very first step towards confusing
the data with the real world. Once you do that you are lost.

--
Roy

On Oct 7, 10:35*am, laurip <lauri.j.pietari... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
LOL, thanks. I've read it - check the "Entity and identity" thread.
As you say, it's a pretty good summary.

On Oct 7, 12:25*pm, Roy Hann <specia... (AT) processed (DOT) almost.meat> wrote:
Too late. I have a strong liking for metaphysics, and the whirlpool
at the intersection of computer science and philosophy is just too
strong to resist. I've started reading up on object-role modeling,
which looks good.

Unfortunately, I've got exams coming up and I've got to study
"Database Systems: Design, Implementation and Management" by Rob,
Coronel and Crockett. When I'm done with that, it's SQL and PL/SQL in
Oracle. Finally, to finish the year, I've got object-oriented
programming and design patterns in C++.

Thankfully, my copy of TTM arrived two weeks ago, so I can look
forward to restoring my sanity in December.