Robert Deininger wrote:
What's wrong with "OpenVMS - 64-bit Architecture"? (Same text on ALpha,
I64, x86-64, Power, ...)

Does someone own rights to "64-bit Architecture"?

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rdeininger (AT) mindspringdot (DOT) com (Robert Deininger) writes:

So hp, half OWNER of right to the itanic have to go on bended knee to
untel for the `rights' to use the name of their own stuff. There seems to
be more idiocy in there than can be grasped by mere mortals. I wonder
what chance mere customers will have in this sort of pissing fight.

With the one in your back? or should we bring our own.

IMO, the name is just plain pathetic, and has NO redeaming merit
at all.

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Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.

prep (AT) prep (DOT) synonet.com wrote:
I'm thinking this entire perspective is upside-down. Intel should be
pleased if a software product is ported to one of it's products, and
include a reference to the Intel product in the name of the software.
One might think that they might normally pay for this to happen.

With that in mind, I don't buy the argument that some Intel product name
couldn't be used to describe "VMS for itanic".

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Dr. Dweeb wrote:
Found this "white paper" from 2002.

< http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downlo..._Landscape.pdf >
or to read it in HTML:
< http://tinyurl.com/dwfca >

(Sorry, copy & paste doesn't format well.)

##
Insight
64
*Industry-standard 64-Bit Microprocessors *
*Will Permanently Alter the *
*High End Systems Landscape*
Nathan Brookwood
Principal Analyst
(Nathan (AT) Insight64 (DOT) com)
September 2002
##
....
(Haven't read the entire article because I went into a
thought loop when I got to the following and had to reboot
my brain

##
*Proprietary processors* are sold only in conjunction
with complete computer systems, and are not marketed
as processors per se. Proprietary processors rarely
appear on the merchant semiconductor market. Buyers
normally associate proprietary processors with a single
system supplier (e.g., SPARC with Sun, POWER with IBM,
PA-RISC with HP), although other system suppliers
occasionally offer use these processors in their lines
e.g., Fujitsu with SPARC, Bull with POWER and NEC with
PA-RISC).

*Industry-standard processors* are sold on the merchant
semiconductor market to original equipment manufacturers
(OEMs) that incorporate these processors into systems sold
to end users. Suppliers of industry-standard processors
sometimes package their wares with other system building
blocks (typically boards and chasses), and sell the
resulting assemblies to OEM customers. Insight 64's definition
of "industry-standard processor"� relies on the processor
supplier's position in the system component supply chain,
rather than on the installed base or annual sales of the
processor or processor architecture.
Prominent general purpose industry-standard microprocessors
include Intel's Pentium, Celeron, Xeon, and Itanium lines,
the IBM/Motorola PowerPC, the AMD Athlon and Duron series,
and the planned AMD Opteron line.
##

(assume (R) or TM in all the right places)

So, by this person's definition, Itanium is I.S., but a quick
Google shows that most other sources believe I.S. means X86
compatable. I wonder how much HP paid for this "white paper"?

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Dave Froble wrote:


There is something a bit strange at the Intel web site. At
http://www.intel.com/products/proces...ium2/index.htm
it used to mention VMS even when it was listed as "planned". Now it says:

"Features:
Based on EPIC architecture
Enhanced Machine Check Architecture (MCA) with Extensive Error
Correcting Code (ECC)
Operating System Support HP-UX*, Linux*, Windows Server* 2003"

Where's VMS gone? You can still find it in the PDFs but its not on the
main page. Probably just not important enough for them.


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Alan Greig wrote:
VMS no longer runs on a RISC processor, the last remaining target of the
itanic. The knife in question resides in Alpha's back.


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