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Gary L. Burnore
 
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Default Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general - 11-08-2004 , 02:33 PM






At 11:48 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote:
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote:

At 11:01 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote:
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote:

User makes a comment in USENet. Post gets seen on usenet servers around
the world. Moderator chooses not to approve.
Unless ist Spam, moderator always approves ... I know, cause its me ...


Always? Then why moderate?

Because 99% of what I have to check through is spam, which does get
refused, as I state above ...

Someone asks a question in USENet. Two other people reply in USENet but
both with an incorret answer. You approve the original message hours or
maybe even a day later. (You're not up 24x7) people on the list post
answers. A while later they see the incorrect answeres and reply to
them.l Meanwhile original poster has already acted on incorrect information.

This could just as easily happen the other way around too ... someone
posts, moderator lets it through, seperate ppl on the lists themselves
post incorrect answer but someone that I haven't approved yet posts the
right one ...
It's not the same. Your list may not see the post for days. USENet is
faster than that.

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You approve an email. It goes to a server not currently carrying the
groups and gets marked as received but not valid group. Email never
makes it to a server after the site refusing it. Some sites have it some
sites don't. Each with different message ID's most likely.

then the site after it wouldn't have received any of teh original messages
either .
It receives those posted to USENet just as it would any other
group. That's why those gated don't make it to databasix.com for days
after they're actually posted. So each appears twice. Once as the
original USENet post and once as a post forwarded by you.

If all the groups were set to moderated and sent on to you instead of being
immediately posted, that part of the probem would go away.





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.. and message-ids don't change ...




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Marc G. Fournier
 
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Default Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general - 11-08-2004 , 02:51 PM






On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote:

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It receives those posted to USENet just as it would any other group.
That's why those gated don't make it to databasix.com for days after
they're actually posted. So each appears twice. Once as the original
USENet post and once as a post forwarded by you.
'k, then I do have something mis-configured, as I thought I had originally
configured it to honor MSG-IDs in both directions as well ... will look
into this ...

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If all the groups were set to moderated and sent on to you instead of
being immediately posted, that part of the probem would go away.
Note that I have no problem with it being set as moderated, but the
'moderator address' would be the list itself (ie.
pgsql-general (AT) postgresql (DOT) org) ... of course, that still doesn't fix the
case where someone on the lists themselves will go through fast, while
someone not subscribe will get held up ... so, from my perspective, there
are no changes *shrug*

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Andrew - Supernews
 
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Default Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general - 11-08-2004 , 03:34 PM



On 2004-11-08, Woodchuck Bill <bwr607 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
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scrappy (AT) postgresql (DOT) org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
news:20041107235943.E93613 (AT) ganymede (DOT) hub.org:

Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a
post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL
*shrug*

The problem with the system is that the spam *all* gets posted to Usenet,
but not the mailing lists. The mailing lists may be moderated, but the
newsgroups are not. That needs to be changed.

Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies.
He's posting to the mailing list; he probably can't avoid dropping the
crosspost.

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Woodchuck Bill
 
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Default Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general - 11-08-2004 , 03:46 PM



Andrew - Supernews <andrew+nonews (AT) supernews (DOT) com> wrote in
news:slrncovpir.2rvk.andrew+nonews (AT) trinity (DOT) supernews.net:

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Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies.

He's posting to the mailing list; he probably can't avoid dropping the
crosspost.

He can make a nominal effort and post *something* to news.groups.

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Marc G. Fournier
 
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Default Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general - 11-08-2004 , 04:31 PM



On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Andrew - Supernews wrote:

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On 2004-11-08, Woodchuck Bill <bwr607 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
scrappy (AT) postgresql (DOT) org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
news:20041107235943.E93613 (AT) ganymede (DOT) hub.org:

Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a
post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL
*shrug*

The problem with the system is that the spam *all* gets posted to Usenet,
but not the mailing lists. The mailing lists may be moderated, but the
newsgroups are not. That needs to be changed.

Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies.

He's posting to the mailing list; he probably can't avoid dropping the
crosspost.
Exactly, thanks Andrew

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Woodchuck Bill
 
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Default Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general - 11-08-2004 , 11:37 PM



Polarhound <Polarhound (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in news:kM2dnd_0xq99yw3cRVn-
3g (AT) comcast (DOT) com:

Quote:
(BTW, since the person responsible for setting up the rogue groups
appears to be aware of the discussion to legitimize the groups, why
isn't he taking part in it?)


That's my whole point.. He's responded in the mailing list to an issue
being raised here. That does him about as much good as wiping his rear
with 20 grit sandpaper.
He's being defiant .. Rebel without a CFV! ;-)

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Martijn van Oosterhout
 
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Default Re: RFD: comp.databases.postgresql.general - 11-13-2004 , 05:34 PM



On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 05:28:57PM +0000, Woodchuck Bill wrote:
Quote:
scrappy (AT) postgresql (DOT) org ("Marc G. Fournier") wrote in
news:20041107235943.E93613 (AT) ganymede (DOT) hub.org:

Unless its spam, it goes through ... I don't (nor have I ever) refused a
post based on content other then spam ... even if its anti-PostgreSQL
*shrug*

The problem with the system is that the spam *all* gets posted to Usenet,
but not the mailing lists. The mailing lists may be moderated, but the
newsgroups are not. That needs to be changed.

Marc, please stop removing news.groups from your replies.
I'm on the mailing list and I'm not seeing news.groups in any of the
usual headers. It does sometimes appear in a seperate header
"Newsgroups". Besides, my mailer doesn't post to newsgroups so I'd have
to setup a newsreader just for that. I'd be surprised if I were the
only one...
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