On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Gary L. Burnore wrote:

A problem that you perceive, yet nobody else seems to ... very isolated
problem ... of coufse, you *could* set the group to moderated on your news
server, with approprait moderator address setup, and be done with it ...
in fact, I even offered you a direct feed so that time delays were at a
minimum ... *shrug*

Russ has already commented that he a) understands what we are doing
(which, apparently you don't, but that's okay) and b) knows of other
groups doing similar gatewaying ...

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I'm getting more spam also, though not an inordinate amount. A couple a
week.
The guy from UAE who wants to send me millions, and the v drug.
Didn't happen when I signed on months ago.



Jeff Eckermann
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--- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk (AT) dsl (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Evidently some of the nastiness out there on Usenet is
propagating into our lists in advance of any change.



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This hasn't dragged on too long? People aren't already annoyed?
Seriously, the usenet people losing interest in this "problem" might be
the best case scenario.


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At 07:30 PM 11/13/2004, you wrote:

Not at all.

Not those that matter.

Ya know, that's kinda like when a business owner hopes the neigborhood will
forget about a toxic waste spill.

In this case, it's not going to be forgotten as long as someone's shoving
your emails up USENet's proverbial ass. If you REALLY want it over with
quick, shut off the mail-to-news.




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Perhaps not the best option but that is an option. The mailing list and
news.postgresql.org seem to work fine for many people who "matter".


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bhk (AT) dsl (DOT) co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes:

I've been involved in private newsgroup hierarchies since about
1996. They exist, they're useful, and they're important. I've written
code to let me use my own newsreader with multiple servers for just such a
reason.

I firmly believe that there should be a better standard for
newsgroup names that includes (the|a) server you can access it through.

- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin (AT) killfile (DOT) org)
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"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy (AT) postgresql (DOT) org> wrote:
I'd have no problem with it if you either didn't use Big-8 names or
else kept your gateway groups restricted to your own server. But these
groups are propagating to *other* servers which is a clear violation of
the spirit of USENET. If these groups are not added to the "official"
checkgroups list (either through the normal voting process or by fiat
from Russ et al.) then I intend to request that my ISP remove them from
our server.

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On Monday, in article
<tskirvin.20041115160809$4f2c (AT) cairo (DOT) ks.uiuc.edu>
tskirvin (AT) killfile (DOT) org "Tim Skirvin" wrote:

Hmm; what about RFC1738:

3.7. NNTP

The nntp URL scheme is an alternative method of referencing news
articles, useful for specifying news articles from NNTP servers (RFC
977).

A nntp URL take the form:

nntp://<host>:<port>/<newsgroup-name>/<article-number>

where <host> and <port> are as described in Section 3.1. If :<port>
is omitted, the port defaults to 119.

The <newsgroup-name> is the name of the group, while the <article-
number> is the numeric id of the article within that newsgroup.

Note that while nntp: URLs specify a unique location for the article
resource, most NNTP servers currently on the Internet today are
configured only to allow access from local clients, and thus nntp
URLs do not designate globally accessible resources. Thus, the news:
form of URL is preferred as a way of identifying news articles.

Mind you, IME there are few browsers masquerading as newsreaders that
understand the <news:Message-ID> form of URL, so the likelihood of
finding one that bothers to interpret nntp: is minimal.

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