XML and Array of Arrays

#21

Just to preface, Ed, I am seriously not trying to give you any grief
here. Rather, I'm feeling bad to see you go through the grief you've
found. That frustration invokes some amount of tough talk which many
here perceive as lecturing, condescention, etc.

My message is consistent with what I've been saying here for years, in
my blogs, and in Spectrum articles: make use of mainstream tools, free
or commercial, to do what they do best. Just read my one blog entry:
"MV to anything? Why Not?". I'm citing that one almost every week
somewhere. Developers will spend years fine-tuning the nuances of how
their XML processor works because that's their focus. From them you
may get much better tools which are widely used in the world. DBMS
companies aren't focused on XML, connectivity tools, or any of these
other half-baked add-ons that they come up with. From them you might
get something that doesn't work, they aren't that motivated to make it
work, and chances are slim that you'll be able to hire someone who
knows anything about such tools.

So for example, rather than using CallHTTP, try cURL. Rather than
hard-coding tags in your database code, write code to extract data and
pass it to some external utility that does SOAP, XML-RPC, or whatever
you're doing for web services. Having had dismal luck with tools like
NuSOAP in PHP, SOAP::Lite in Perl, and others, these days I use .NET
web services (which does both comms and XML almost transparently),
Use whatever you want, just think outside of the MV box.

As to being my being cryptic and you rolling your own... well, the
bottom line there is that these days I'll help anyone to improve their
profitability if they're willing to reciprocate. The freebie model
has never worked here.

T

"Ed Sheehan" wrote:

Quote:

That sounds very cryptic, Tony. Are you saying there are external tools to
use to address SOAP/XML extraction?
....
I'm ready to look outside the box for tools, but not (yet) other services.

"Tony Gravagno" wrote
Neo: "What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?"
Morpheus: "No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you
won't have to."

#22

On Apr 29, 4:07*pm, "Ed Sheehan" <NOedsS... (AT) xmission (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

That sounds very cryptic, Tony. Are you saying there are external tools to
use to address SOAP/XML extraction? If so, you could maybe, I don't know,
MENTION which ones they are or point to some sources for tools. We won't be
buying outside services anytime soon for extracting data, so we'll be
"rolling our own."

IBM may have responded to someone's request for simple XML translations, but
for anything more demanding, their XML tools are weak, and maybe not
intended for more demanding issues. I'm not faulting IBM for that. The U2
tools are actually working, albeit not as elegant as I'd like, but certainly
livable.

I'm ready to look outside the box for tools, but not (yet) other services..

Ed

"Tony Gravagno" <address.is.in.po... (AT) removethis (DOT) com.invalid> wrote in
messagenews:0d7jt5t6dc4cfn872ms8kgavpkslk10l72 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...

Neo: "What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?"
Morpheus: "No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you
won't have to."

For the last couple weeks you've been on the verge of maybe getting
the U2 tools to work - but you still need to result to manual parsing
of XML. *I'm saying those are the wrong tools for what you're doing
and it would have been a lot easier if other methods were used.

This is more of a general topic but it's really exemplified here.
Pick people want everything accessible from BASIC. *Well, IBM
responded and gave you what you wanted. *OK, is it really what you
wanted? *Can you fit your square or hexagon pegs into the round holes
that they've provided? *I don't think so. *This is why for many years
I've encouraged people to look outside of the box. *That's all I'm
sayin...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Check out SoapUI can get link from wikipedia

#23

On Jun 12, 10:56*pm, dzigray <goo... (AT) bridge2 (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On Apr 29, 4:07*pm, "Ed Sheehan" <NOedsS... (AT) xmission (DOT) com> wrote:

That sounds very cryptic, Tony. Are you saying there are external toolsto
use to address SOAP/XML extraction? If so, you could maybe, I don't know,
MENTION which ones they are or point to some sources for tools. We won't be
buying outside services anytime soon for extracting data, so we'll be
"rolling our own."

IBM may have responded to someone's request for simple XML translations, but
for anything more demanding, their XML tools are weak, and maybe not
intended for more demanding issues. I'm not faulting IBM for that. The U2
tools are actually working, albeit not as elegant as I'd like, but certainly
livable.

I'm ready to look outside the box for tools, but not (yet) other services.

Ed

"Tony Gravagno" <address.is.in.po... (AT) removethis (DOT) com.invalid> wrote in
messagenews:0d7jt5t6dc4cfn872ms8kgavpkslk10l72 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...

Neo: "What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?"
Morpheus: "No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you
won't have to."

For the last couple weeks you've been on the verge of maybe getting
the U2 tools to work - but you still need to result to manual parsing
of XML. *I'm saying those are the wrong tools for what you're doing
and it would have been a lot easier if other methods were used.

This is more of a general topic but it's really exemplified here.
Pick people want everything accessible from BASIC. *Well, IBM
responded and gave you what you wanted. *OK, is it really what you
wanted? *Can you fit your square or hexagon pegs into the round holes
that they've provided? *I don't think so. *This is why for many years
I've encouraged people to look outside of the box. *That's all I'm
sayin...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Check out SoapUI *can get link from wikipedia

www.soapui.org

This is an awesome piece of freeware, guys (generic non-gender
specific use of the word "guys")!

#24

mvdbman wrote:

Quote:

dzigray wrote:
Check out SoapUI

www.soapui.org

This is an awesome piece of freeware

Wow, yeah. I'm going to use this as the functionality and standards
benchmark for my new Web Services product!

remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog

#25

On Jun 15, 3:56*pm, Tony Gravagno
<address.is.in.po... (AT) removethis (DOT) com.invalid> wrote:

Quote:

mvdbman wrote:
dzigray wrote:
Check out SoapUI

www.soapui.org

This is an awesome piece of freeware

Wow, yeah. *I'm going to use this as the functionality and standards
benchmark for my new Web Services product!

remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog

I have been using soapUI for a couple years now, to prototype and
validate the web services I have created and or modified with the
U2WSD tool. The nice thing is that test cases, including load tests,
can be created in soapUI. Again, it is an awesome tool.

If the functionality of the free version is not enough they, of
course, do have a "professional" version. See
http://www.eviware.com/Shop/pricing-...discounts.html

-Bruce H

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