What would a minimal MV system have?

#11

Goo'day,

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:05:28 -0700, "Bill H" <you (AT) notreally (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

Henry:

But the open source QM doesn't run on Windows. :-( I'm thinking that's
what Sholom is looking for (but not necessarily).

If the OP is looking for "free" then open source OpenQM woulldn't be
the go at this stage, but if he's prepared to licence the commercial
"Windows" release, Ladybridge have prepared a short treatise on "How
to" install using an installer.....

Chapter 25 of "Introduction to QM", p128, "Building a Self Installing
Application"....

This might help....

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Bill

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Since OpenQM is Open Source, it should be possible to customize it.

Henry Keultjes

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I write many VB.NET programs for MV databases, and I sometimes wish I
could
have a simple, minimal, self-contained, stand-alone MV database that I
could distribute with my code on a CD (sort of like a .mdb file in
Access) - no complex installation required. Just
copy-onto-your-disk-and-go. That got me wondering a little.

1) Does such an implementation exist?
2) What would such a minimal MV system consist of?

I think it would need the following:

1) The MV file structure (dicts and data sections) to actually put in
data
2) Recall/Access/English - I would want to do SELECTs, etc. via my VB
program. Also need it to generate MV reports. Otherwise I'd need to
teach
Crystal Reports, etc. to understand MV data - not an easy task on a
minimal system.
3) All the conversion codes, so I could create dictionaries as I wish
(to
do those SELECTs)
4) Obviously, some API so that I could work with the database in VB
(something like UniObjects, jBase Objex, etc.)

I don't think it would need the following:

1) DataBasic - since I would be working in VB.NET
2) Debugger - I'd be using the .NET debugger.
3) Editor
4) Proc - even though I do use it on MV systems, I could do without it
via
EXECUTEs
5) Runoff
6) Spooler - printing done via the Windows spooler
7) Update processor - never used it

I'm not sure about TCL. There are some commands I might want (COPY,
CREATE-FILE, etc), but I'm still wavering.

Any thoughts about this?

Sholom

Regards,

Bruce Nichol
Talon Computer Services
ALBURY NSW Australia

http://www.taloncs.com.au

If it ain't broke, fix it until it is....

#12

Goo'day, again,

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:26:35 +1000, Bruce Nichol
<reverse_ecurb (AT) taloncs (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Quote:

Goo'day,

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:05:28 -0700, "Bill H" <you (AT) notreally (DOT) com
wrote:

Henry:

But the open source QM doesn't run on Windows. :-( I'm thinking that's
what Sholom is looking for (but not necessarily).

If the OP is looking for "free" then open source OpenQM woulldn't be
the go at this stage, but if he's prepared to licence the commercial
"Windows" release, Ladybridge have prepared a short treatise on "How
to" install using an installer.....

Chapter 25 of "Introduction to QM", p128, "Building a Self Installing
Application"....

This might help....

I forgot to add that he could use the OpenQM API to interface twixt
his VB and OpenQM.... Simplicity itself for him....

Regards,

Bruce Nichol
Talon Computer Services
ALBURY NSW Australia

http://www.taloncs.com.au

If it ain't broke, fix it until it is....

#13

At Pick Systems many years ago I campaigned for a "D3 Lite" which was
exactly what you describe, a user-only, non-developer version of the
environment. They didn't see the value. No surprise.

Check with the Revelation people about OpenInsight for Win32. I don't
recall what the installation is like but I think their target audience
uses the database like this all the time.

HTH
T

#14

Tony Gravagno wrote:

Quote:

At Pick Systems many years ago I campaigned for a "D3 Lite" which was
exactly what you describe, a user-only, non-developer version of the
environment. They didn't see the value. No surprise.

Check with the Revelation people about OpenInsight for Win32. I don't
recall what the installation is like but I think their target audience
uses the database like this all the time.

HTH
T

As long as we're reminiscing here... Some years ago a handful of
enterprising JET dealers starting selling Pick + JET as a "stand
alone" multi-user W/P solution. This was before every office had
a bunch of PC's with ms/word and a LAN, for all you kids in the
audience. After some discussion with one of these dealers, I met
with RAP with a proposal that went something like this: "Sell me
a trimmed-down version of Pick for a PC that has BASIC runtime,
the file system, PROC, and the Spooler only," as that (and maybe
a little bit else; it's been a few years now) is all we needed to
support JET. SSELECT might have been in there; I don't really
recall. The idea was it didn't make sense to sell a $395 W/P app
that required a much more expensive O/S to run, so if we could
just buy the part of the O/S that we really needed, and not pay
for the parts we didn't need, there would be a larger market for
the stand-alone W/P app, more sales for JET and for Pick, and a
nice warm market for upgrades from Pick-Lite to the full Pick.

Mr. Pick, unsurprisingly, shot the idea down, without much
consideration, as far as I can recall. Flash forward a couple
of years, when Pick starts running atop a native O/S, AIX. Now,
when the shoe's on the other foot, it suddenly makes a tremendous
amount of sense for Pick to buy from IBM a trimmed-down version
of AIX, with only the part of that O/S that Pick really needed,
and not pay for the parts they didn't need, as it didn't make
much sense to sell a DBMS that required a much more expensive O/S
to run.

I actually hoped that IBM would cut such a deal, as Dick might
then get the idea that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for
the gander, but...

And BTW, the answer to the question in the Subject line:
"A single value." =`:^>

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