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Default Vista Woes - 04-15-2007 , 04:39 PM






My PC crashed on Thu and I got a new one with Vista (first mistake.)

You might be interested to know that the *!!@# *Vista Restore will not
restore the backup files from XP. If this is not the most brain-dead
decision ever made, I cannot think of one worse. Hanging may be too good for
the programmers involved.

Turns out there is an NT program that can be downloaded from the web that
"may" be able to restore XP .bkf files to Vista. After going the rigmarole
of changing various settings to allow this beast to work, it barfed with the
message "illegal processor type." I presume that's because my HP has an AMD
processor (second mistake.)

Anyone know how to get data off the .bkf file? Other than restoring it to a
working XP system?

I heart Microsoft.

Chandru


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Excalibur
 
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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-15-2007 , 05:56 PM






Hi Chandru
Thank you very much for being the test bunny. My replacement program was
based on waiting a few months for items like this to appear. Scary isn't
it.
You do realise that you are quite unique. Backing up a pc now that is
strange <g> my clients cannot be persuaded to go past a D3 backup and even
that can be hard until after the first crash.
Good Luck and thanks again
Peter McMurray
PS everything comes in threes, what is the last step before recovery?
"chandru murthi" <cmurthixyz (AT) xyzseeinggreen (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
My PC crashed on Thu and I got a new one with Vista (first mistake.)

You might be interested to know that the *!!@# *Vista Restore will not
restore the backup files from XP. If this is not the most brain-dead
decision ever made, I cannot think of one worse. Hanging may be too good
for
the programmers involved.

Turns out there is an NT program that can be downloaded from the web that
"may" be able to restore XP .bkf files to Vista. After going the rigmarole
of changing various settings to allow this beast to work, it barfed with
the
message "illegal processor type." I presume that's because my HP has an
AMD
processor (second mistake.)

Anyone know how to get data off the .bkf file? Other than restoring it to
a
working XP system?

I heart Microsoft.

Chandru




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dawn
 
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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-15-2007 , 07:36 PM



On Apr 15, 4:39 pm, "chandru murthi" <cmurthi... (AT) xyzseeinggreen (DOT) net>
wrote:
Quote:
My PC crashed on Thu and I got a new one with Vista (first mistake.)

You might be interested to know that the *!!@# *Vista Restore will not
restore the backup files from XP. If this is not the most brain-dead
decision ever made, I cannot think of one worse. Hanging may be too good for
the programmers involved.

Turns out there is an NT program that can be downloaded from the web that
"may" be able to restore XP .bkf files to Vista. After going the rigmarole
of changing various settings to allow this beast to work, it barfed with the
message "illegal processor type." I presume that's because my HP has an AMD
processor (second mistake.)

Anyone know how to get data off the .bkf file? Other than restoring it to a
working XP system?

I heart Microsoft.

Chandru
Thanks for turning your pain into such an entertaining post.

My only experience to date with Vista is my son-in-law's machine. He
said that the first thing he had to figure out what how to turn off
the annoying messages that ask you at every turn whether to approve
something or other (it sounds like they were model dialogs). The next
thing he wanted to do was figure out how much of a risk it is to get
rid of such annoyances. Now any issues could be seen as his problem
since he turned it off. He claimed it was intolerable, but I have not
heard from others (except for the Apple ad) on that (nor have I looked
it up, this is the first Windows upgrade where I am in denial).

Best wishes with the recovery. If you had wanted a backup that
permitted a recovery, you should have taken it with the "with recovery
possible" parameter, perhaps?
cheers! --dawn



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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-16-2007 , 12:30 AM



chandru murthi wrote:
Quote:
My PC crashed on Thu and I got a new one with Vista (first mistake.)

You might be interested to know that the *!!@# *Vista Restore will not
restore the backup files from XP.
[snip]
Interested, somewhat. Surprised? Sadly, no.

--
frosty




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Peter McMurray
 
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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-16-2007 , 01:21 AM



Hi
Some of us have been guilty of casting aspersions on sundry mult-value
implementations but I have never met a backup from one system that cannot be
restored on another. Maybe ASCII to tape was a brilliant idea, albeit space
hungry, after all.
Peter McMurray
"frosty" <frostyj (AT) bogus (DOT) tld> wrote

Quote:
chandru murthi wrote:
My PC crashed on Thu and I got a new one with Vista (first mistake.)

You might be interested to know that the *!!@# *Vista Restore will not
restore the backup files from XP.
[snip]
Interested, somewhat. Surprised? Sadly, no.

--
frosty




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Symeon
 
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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-16-2007 , 02:09 AM



On Apr 15, 10:39 pm, "chandru murthi" <cmurthi... (AT) xyzseeinggreen (DOT) net>
wrote:

Quote:
Turns out there is an NT program that can be downloaded from the web that
"may" be able to restore XP .bkf files to Vista. A

was that this -
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...n#Requirements
I have used it ok on an intel machine !
?

If so I believe there is a manual way of doing this also -
http://www.vistaclues.com/restore-fi...file-in-vista/






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Bill H
 
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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-16-2007 , 03:41 AM



Dawn:

Something like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuqZ8AqmLPY&NR=1

:-)

Bill

"dawn" <dawnwolthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message...
Quote:
On Apr 15, 4:39 pm, "chandru murthi" <cmurthi... (AT) xyzseeinggreen (DOT) net
wrote:
My PC crashed on Thu and I got a new one with Vista (first mistake.)
[snipped]

Quote:
My only experience to date with Vista is my son-in-law's machine. He
said that the first thing he had to figure out what how to turn off
the annoying messages that ask you at every turn whether to approve
something or other (it sounds like they were model dialogs). The next
thing he wanted to do was figure out how much of a risk it is to get
rid of such annoyances. Now any issues could be seen as his problem
since he turned it off. He claimed it was intolerable, but I have not
heard from others (except for the Apple ad) on that (nor have I looked
it up, this is the first Windows upgrade where I am in denial).

Best wishes with the recovery. If you had wanted a backup that
permitted a recovery, you should have taken it with the "with recovery
possible" parameter, perhaps?
cheers! --dawn




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Rick Kann
 
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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-16-2007 , 08:54 AM



Hi, Chandru:

Only guessing here, but maybe the data on the XP that you restored (if
you got that far) that says the processor type might be encoded
different on XP and Vista.

Personally, my policy is not to be a Microsoft Guinea Pig. I do not put
in new versions for at least 6 months. Vista was hacked three days
before it's release. We test ran it on my son's system with 3gb of
memory and a 3.0gb processor and it ran like a Dog (Vista Ultimate).

You can still buy XP and I wold until sometime after SP1 for Vista or 6
months (whichever is last). I got a trade show system two weeks ago from
Tiger Direct with dual core AMD and a gb of memory and XP pro for under
$500.00.

Richard Kann

chandru murthi wrote:
Quote:
My PC crashed on Thu and I got a new one with Vista (first mistake.)

You might be interested to know that the *!!@# *Vista Restore will not
restore the backup files from XP. If this is not the most brain-dead
decision ever made, I cannot think of one worse. Hanging may be too good
for the programmers involved.

Turns out there is an NT program that can be downloaded from the web
that "may" be able to restore XP .bkf files to Vista. After going the
rigmarole of changing various settings to allow this beast to work, it
barfed with the message "illegal processor type." I presume that's
because my HP has an AMD processor (second mistake.)

Anyone know how to get data off the .bkf file? Other than restoring it
to a working XP system?

I heart Microsoft.

Chandru


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chandru murthi
 
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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-16-2007 , 11:17 AM



Yep, that's the program. Of course, it does say "beta testing".

"Symeon" <symeonb (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On Apr 15, 10:39 pm, "chandru murthi" <cmurthi... (AT) xyzseeinggreen (DOT) net
wrote:


Turns out there is an NT program that can be downloaded from the web that
"may" be able to restore XP .bkf files to Vista. A


was that this -
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...n#Requirements
I have used it ok on an intel machine !
?

If so I believe there is a manual way of doing this also -
http://www.vistaclues.com/restore-fi...file-in-vista/






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chandru murthi
 
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Default Re: Vista Woes - 04-16-2007 , 11:38 AM



Yep, practically anything you do brings up a message (Do you want to reply
to the whole group, on ReplyGroup, for instance, to which my reply might be
No stupid, how about to some other group?) Most can be turned off 1by1 "do
not show again" checkbox, but it is a pain. Also does not seem particularly
faster (1.6Ghz) than my previous 1Ghz box.

Otoh, IE7 so far (2+ days) is 100% compatible on our extensively AJAXed
software, so that's one thing I don't have to worry about. As usual more
real-estate is taken up by the newfangled bars. One minor but particularly
annoying thing is that right-click on the Back button, which used to bring
up a list of 10 previous pages, does not. So for those webpages which
disable Back (may their designers be consigned to Hell), it's much harder to
go back to where you came from. This is "progress."

Graphics are better, but that may be the HP box. There's a built-in analog
clock, and a whole new thing called "gadgets", shows where MS is wasting its
development $ (taskbar, gadgetbar, toolbar, where's the singlemalt scotch
bar?)

I actually have a Windows XP Pro disc, and should've thought of just
restoring the HP to XP. But then there's the nagging thought that XP may not
have the drivers for this latest model HP....oh, well.

Chandru

"dawn" <dawnwolthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On Apr 15, 4:39 pm, "chandru murthi" <cmurthi... (AT) xyzseeinggreen (DOT) net
wrote:
My PC crashed on Thu and I got a new one with Vista (first mistake.)

You might be interested to know that the *!!@# *Vista Restore will not
restore the backup files from XP. If this is not the most brain-dead
decision ever made, I cannot think of one worse. Hanging may be too good
for
the programmers involved.

Turns out there is an NT program that can be downloaded from the web that
"may" be able to restore XP .bkf files to Vista. After going the
rigmarole
of changing various settings to allow this beast to work, it barfed with
the
message "illegal processor type." I presume that's because my HP has an
AMD
processor (second mistake.)

Anyone know how to get data off the .bkf file? Other than restoring it to
a
working XP system?

I heart Microsoft.

Chandru

Thanks for turning your pain into such an entertaining post.

My only experience to date with Vista is my son-in-law's machine. He
said that the first thing he had to figure out what how to turn off
the annoying messages that ask you at every turn whether to approve
something or other (it sounds like they were model dialogs). The next
thing he wanted to do was figure out how much of a risk it is to get
rid of such annoyances. Now any issues could be seen as his problem
since he turned it off. He claimed it was intolerable, but I have not
heard from others (except for the Apple ad) on that (nor have I looked
it up, this is the first Windows upgrade where I am in denial).

Best wishes with the recovery. If you had wanted a backup that
permitted a recovery, you should have taken it with the "with recovery
possible" parameter, perhaps?
cheers! --dawn



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