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#31

On Dec 6, 3:54*am, wjhonson <wjhon... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

You cannot be guilty of "libel" by giving your nastiest opinion about
how a company treated you.

Libel is when you knowingly convey *false* information that damages
the reputation of a company.

If you convey your own experience, from your own opinionated position,
even if you're wildly abusive about it, that's not libel. *I can call
your company all sorts of nasty names that's not libel, and I can say
how horrible you are, that's not libel.

If I say the president of the company murdered his first wife, that's
libel. *If it's false. *It's not libel, if its true.

Any other red herrings to throw out?

Oh boy yet another Internet wannabe lawyer! While I make no pretense
at being one (and reiterate that I am in no way associated with
BookMasters, Inc. beyond being an ex-employee), the slightest amount
of critical thinking might show:

Quote:

Libel is when you knowingly convey *false* information that damages
the reputation of a company.

If you convey your own experience, from your own opinionated position,
even if you're wildly abusive about it, that's not libel.

If ones own opinionated position consists of false (quoted or not)
information then ...

You might note that Kevin made some very specific accusations in the
document that you are offering publicly. The intent to do harm could
quite well be bolstered by the fact that he knowingly registered
several domain names with the intent of spreading his falsehoods.

While I have zero knowledge of Kevin's particular business, my
knowledge of the people who own and operate BookMasters makes me think
that he (Kevin) will never be able to prove the falsehoods he claims:
That BookMasters fraudulently invoiced him for shipments and returns
that they did not actually ship and receive. Because I am 99.9999999%
confident that they did no such thing. Yes, he might get off by
pleading ignorance (the inability to read and comprehend his contracts
and statements).

As I also said I seriously doubt if BookMasters would bother with
libel action against someone like this. I do feel that Kevin's pubic
spewing of falsehoods aimed at damaging a company could very well
constitute libel, but I don't pretend to be an attorney.

It is reassuring that so many here stand ready to buy a completely
unsubstantiated story however, I leave you with an appropriate
description:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

Have fun y'all,
-Tom

#32

When you complain and get the silent treatment, 99 times out of a 100
there is some sort of fraud involved.
Same thing is true if they deflect your inquiries and give you tons of
unrelated information.
If you are told to "turn the other cheek" or "cost of doing business"
then they think you have "sucker" written all over your forehead.
Word of caution thou, if lawyers call for down payments they either
think that the end result is not financially worthy or maybe you have
no (judicial) case but they like to taste your money anyway. You may
find yourself paying thousands to recover hundreds.
I think you should talk to your bank about the fraudulent payments. If
you can prove they were fraudulent is another ballgame altogether.

Lucian

#33

On Dec 6, 6:42*am, Tom <tdelomba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On Dec 6, 3:54*am, wjhonson <wjhon... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

You cannot be guilty of "libel" by giving your nastiest opinion about
how a company treated you.

Libel is when you knowingly convey *false* information that damages
the reputation of a company.

If you convey your own experience, from your own opinionated position,
even if you're wildly abusive about it, that's not libel. *I can call
your company all sorts of nasty names that's not libel, and I can say
how horrible you are, that's not libel.

If I say the president of the company murdered his first wife, that's
libel. *If it's false. *It's not libel, if its true.

Any other red herrings to throw out?

Oh boy yet another Internet wannabe lawyer! While I make no pretense
at being one (and reiterate that I am in no way associated with
BookMasters, Inc. beyond being an ex-employee), the slightest amount
of critical thinking might show:

Libel is when you knowingly convey *false* information that damages
the reputation of a company.

If you convey your own experience, from your own opinionated position,
even if you're wildly abusive about it, that's not libel.

If ones own opinionated position consists of false (quoted or not)
information then ...

No Tom it doesn't work that way. If what you state is your "opinion"
then you are protected, 100% from libel.
Period. That's it. That's the whole law mister wannabe yet completely
ignorant lawyer.

Your opinion, can never, in any case, whatsoever be "false". "True"
and "false" do not apply to opinions.
Welcome to Law 101, listen and stop being a nutcase. "Nutcase", Tom
is my opinion, you can't sue me for libel.
Get jiggy with it. You are not the only one with a sharp tongue
around here.

Quote:

You might note that Kevin made some very specific accusations in the
document that you are offering publicly. The intent to do harm could
quite well be bolstered by the fact that he knowingly registered
several domain names with the intent of spreading his falsehoods.

That I'm "offering publicly". Nice. Tom, you should realize that the
document was already posted "publicly".
I state clearly that I did not write it, I am merely reposting it
under CC. There is no legal maneuver even your piece of filth company
can use against me. So don't try to teach your grandma to suck eggs.

The "intent to do harm" has nothing whatsoever to do with the
definition of "libel".
You can't sue for "intending to do harm". All business competitors
intend to harm each other. That's the nature of capitalism. If you
could sue for "intent to do harm" from one business to another, or one
business to an individual, the court's would be clogged. Try again.

Quote:

While I have zero knowledge of Kevin's particular business, my
knowledge of the people who own and operate BookMasters makes me think
that he (Kevin) will never be able to prove the falsehoods he claims:
That BookMasters fraudulently invoiced him for shipments and returns
that they did not actually ship and receive. Because I am 99.9999999%
confident that they did no such thing. Yes, he might get off by
pleading ignorance (the inability to read and comprehend his contracts
and statements).

Kevin doesn't have to "prove" that they fraudulently invoiced him.
Under the Fair Consumer Protection Act, it is they would must prove
that the invoices were appropriate. You don't have to plead ignorance
in contract law. You can plead fraud. For example, that language in
the contract is intended to be so confusing that no reasonable person
can understand it, and it serves no legitimate business purpose.
Again Tom, welcome to Contract Law 101.

Quote:

As I also said I seriously doubt if BookMasters would bother with
libel action against someone like this. I do feel that Kevin's pubic
spewing of falsehoods aimed at damaging a company could very well
constitute libel, but I don't pretend to be an attorney.

It cannot. People spew falsehoods (as you state) aimed at damaging
companies, day and night. They are not sued for libel when those
falsehoods (as you state) are their own opinion. Walmart is a piece
of garbage. That's my opinion, they cannot sue me for it.

Quote:

It is reassuring that so many here stand ready to buy a completely
unsubstantiated story however, I leave you with an appropriate
description:

Have fun y'all,
* -Tom

Good riddance Tom. Hope you get hit by a bus

And have a nice day until then.

#34

My friends, "Tom" has taken it upon himself to register the .org of my
domain name and, with no other complaint but this dialogue, to use
this site to "warn" others of my many sins. Personally, I find it
entertaining and not the least bit concerning. Bravo, man. Thank you
for helping my cause!!

#35

People are really strange.

"Kevin King" <kevin (AT) precisonline (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

My friends, "Tom" has taken it upon himself to register the .org of my
domain name and, with no other complaint but this dialogue, to use
this site to "warn" others of my many sins. Personally, I find it
entertaining and not the least bit concerning. Bravo, man. Thank you
for helping my cause!!

#36

On Dec 7, 9:27*pm, Kevin King <ke... (AT) precisonline (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

My friends, "Tom" has taken it upon himself to register the .org of my
domain name and, with no other complaint but this dialogue, to use
this site to "warn" others of my many sins. Personally, I find it
entertaining and not the least bit concerning. Bravo, man. Thank you
for helping my cause!!

Well at least we now know, who the guy is, I thought you could *mung*
this type of information?
You know, just have your registrar show up here instead of you
yourself.

PRECISONLINE.ORG WHOIS
Updated: 1 second ago
Registrant Contact Information:
Name: Tom deLombarde
Organization: FTM Development
Address 1: PO Box 269
City: Shelby
State: OH
Zip: 44875
Country: US
Phone: +1.4195660898
Email: Email Masking Image (AT) blackflute (DOT) com

#37

On Dec 8, 8:16 am, "Jeff Caspari" <mu... (AT) idt (DOT) net> wrote:

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People are really strange.

They certainly are, aren't they?

On Dec 3, 2:10 pm, "Jeff Caspari" <mu... (AT) idt (DOT) net> wrote:

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Kevin, that sounds horrible. The website was a great idea.
Perhaps you could do some 'programming' for them.

Strange enough to think that a company can be blackmailed into hiring
someone who has made it clear in a public (albeit small and obscure)
forum that he intends them harm?

Or simply strange enough to make thinly veiled threats of sabotage in
a public (albeit small and obscure) forum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CHi_9sxj0

Carry on.
-Tom

#38

On 12/08/2010 07:53 PM, Tom wrote:

Quote:

On Dec 8, 8:16 am, "Jeff Caspari"<mu... (AT) idt (DOT) net> wrote:
People are really strange.

They certainly are, aren't they?

On Dec 3, 2:10 pm, "Jeff Caspari"<mu... (AT) idt (DOT) net> wrote:
Kevin, that sounds horrible. The website was a great idea.
Perhaps you could do some 'programming' for them.

Strange enough to think that a company can be blackmailed into hiring
someone who has made it clear in a public (albeit small and obscure)
forum that he intends them harm?

Or simply strange enough to make thinly veiled threats of sabotage in
a public (albeit small and obscure) forum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CHi_9sxj0

Carry on.
-Tom

Time for all of us to put this thread on "ignore".
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