For matters relating more specifically to u2 :
http://groups.google.com.au/group/u2users

Cheers
Mike.

Mike Preece wrote:

Praytell why? There are already three major U2 forums, one e-mail
forum for technical discussions, one e-mail forum just for community
banter and one web forum. Plus there is a whole U2UG site.
Everything available from here:
http://www.u2ug.org/

Cmon bud, enuf is enuf.

T

yes but it's not usenet
you don't get it
by the way i won't enter the place if agencies go in i will
respect

Tony Gravagno wrote:
Praythee go there - you'll see why

Cheers
Mike.

I don't see why, I've been there. Again, there are already a number
of U2 forums, why is this browser/email forum special? (shoot me for
clicking a tronic response but how many times shall I repeat... Google
Aint Usenet!)

tony google is my internet pipeline
i started posting from company servers
then i had a linux box with a newsreader
then i just gave up and went go google
operating systems are over
windows is just part of the boot process to me
it's over

"This group has been created to provide an alternative forum for
discussion of matters relating to the U2 database management systems :
UniData & UniVerse.


Prior to the group's creation there were :


1. The forums at http://u2ug.org - not searchable and rarely used;


2. The email list server (accessible for subscription from the same
site);


3. The comp.databases.pick newsgroup.


The forums weren't searchable and were rarely used. I would not suggest

that you hold your breath while waiting for a response to a query
posted there.


The email list server was, on the other hand, very widely used - and
the archives could be searched at http://www.indexinfocus.com. My
experience was that the email service ran either too hot (flooded
inbox) or too cold (daily digest) - and I really didn't need to know
that so-and-so was out of the office! I did try searching the archives
on several occasions - with very limited success. I even tried
searching for postings I knew for sure were there (because I had posted

them myself) and was unable to find them.


Comp.databases.pick is a usenet group, is relatively busy, has archives

going back to 1993 and is well served by google's search capabilities -

but is considered more relevant to "traditional" Pick (D3, mvBase,
etc.).


I hope this group provides a worthwhile alternative.


Regards
Mike Preece."

PS. If you, Tony and others, have been there I sure hope you read my
welcome message explaining why the group was created.

I really don't see what your problem is with this Tony. Sure - it's not
usenet. So what?! Nor are the forums at u2ug.

I have a problem with the u2 email list server - always have had. The
last straw really is that it's not accessible to me from work - the
powers that be here got so upset way back with the volume of totally
irrelevant emails on the u2 email list that they have banned its use
here for all time. To my way of thinking, a google group is by far and
away preferable to an email list anyway. Look back at your own
experiences with the email lists at RD. They didn't last long and have
since been replaced, quite rightly, with moderated forums. The jBase
group has since replaced, or at least augmented, their email
list-server with a google group (is that usenet too?). In time I
believe u2 users will see that a google group is preferable over an
email list too. It might not eventually turn out to be the one I've
just created though, as u2users is unmoderated. Why it is, exactly,
that so many u2 users are unwilling to use CDP I really don't know -
although I know a lot of them lurk here without participating.

What google groups offers, that neither usenet itself nor the u2ug
forums do, is the ability to easily search previous posts. I'd like to
know what percentage of the queries put to the email list have been put
previously, and how many times previously for each. I strongly suspect
no one uses the archive search at indexinfocus for totally obvious
reasons. Try using it yourself, then compare it with similar searches
on comp.databases.pick through google.

michael preece wrote:
I don't care which medium is used, Mike. My point is that we're
over-saturated with discussion forums. I don't think we need yet
another forum because the U2UG majordomo search mechanism is
inadequate. Report the issue to a mod and ask someone to address it,
maybe it's time to upgrade MajorDomo or regenerate indexes, but don't
create a new community resource.

About list volume, there are better ways to address "internoise" than
to create yet another soapbox. To get around the list ban, subscribe
using sneakemail like I do. You protect your real email address
and you'll get the U2 mail. Sneaky, eh? And not that I agree with
your employer, but if that's their policy then maybe it's time to
check forums from home rather than from work. Let them deal with the
consequences of paying you off-hours time to get info or not having
access to Q&A resources - that's their decision. It doesn't strike me
as appropriate that we have yet another community forum because your
current employer has an issue with bandwidth - that's just not our
problem bud, work within their rules or work around the problem, but
don't involve the rest of us.

Well, I get Google Groups by e-mail, but that's just me.

I seem to recall when those email lists were originally created that
the argument then was that people didn't want to have to go to yet
another website for their information - people preferred to have it
delivered in their email bin. Old argument, can't please everyone...

No, it's not usenet, it's Google Groups.
That's also not an official jBASE corporate support forum, it's a
community discussion forum, and in the absence of any other public
resource for jBASE, I'm glad it's there. But U2 has a number of
public forums, they don't need any more.

I think it's because most people don't understand what Usenet is. If
you say "comp.databases.pick" to most U2 people they'll glaze over.
That's not a fault, just lack of exposure to the Net. Mention WAIS or
Gopher to CDP people and you'll get the same glaze - a lot of people
who read CDP still don't understand what Usenet is. I tried to remedy
some of this in a Spectrum article called "Can we talk here?"
http://www.intl-spectrum.com/julaug05mag.html


No disagreement whatsoever there, I live on the Google Search tools
(almost cried when DejaNews went under) and now have IE set to search
CDP or groups in general right from the address bar: "groups ..." or
"cdp ...". BUT, I think it's better to try to address the issues of
searchability and FAQs from within the community rather than just
trying to further factionalize the community itself.

My disagreement doesn't mean diddly - do your best and let's see what
the market decides. Good luck.

T

Mike:

So, this is the "I want what I want, when I want, and where I want!"
syndrome. No wonder today's technology is over-engineered, unstable, and
hopelessly convoluted.

If people like us would at least demand some simplicity and stability in our
technology I don't think we would have these kinds of problems running
rampant throughout today's technology (hardware and software). :-)

Bill

<michael (AT) preece (DOT) net> wrote

michael (AT) preece (DOT) net wrote:

you do it by clicking advanced search on the main page which leads you
to the following.

http://www.u2ug.org/modules.php?op=m...rch&file=index

I think u2ug will eventually be the place to be for u2 specific
queries, if only we could encourage people to come off the mail list.

Matt