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Default Re: Reporting tools - 02-09-2006 , 10:01 AM






Tony Gravagno wrote:
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"Simon Verona"wrote:
Basically, dotnet is all about learning the basic technology once (the
dotnet framework plus one or more of the programming languages) and then
deploying this same skill set right through the enterprise - from database
through to browser... I like the concept and find it very powerful.

I've said my piece in other responses but I think Simon's point here
is very important. Understanding the framework is a never ending
series of those "aha" moments when you suddenly "get" something that
has been in front of you all along.
Yes, and it feel huge to me. I think I'm too old either a) to learn it
or b) to care about learning it. I'm not sure which is worse -- not
being able to learn or not being able to care ;-)

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I'm finding that there are many
articles that I'm re-reading now which meant nothing to me before but
I simply wasn't ready for the specific info when I first encountered
it, and now it's invaluable. Java is very similar in the allure and
elegance but tome it's just not as comprehensive or unified as .NET -
Yes, I think that is true. You get something very valuable with a
single vendor if you are willing to pay the price and assume the risk.
I'm guessing that MS-centric shops get jerked around by having to pay
for (sometimes unbudgeted) MS upgrades, added components, etc. quite
regularly compared to other environments.

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and once you understand how something works you can apply that
knowledge to a lot of projects and other facets of the technology.
I'm sure there are other good postings to catch up on too, but I better
attend to other matters now, so I'll read more later. --dawn



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Default Re: Reporting tools - 02-09-2006 , 12:57 PM






Simon Verona wrote:
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2. Asp.Net

Asp - active server pages are asp pages on steroids. They use the
full windows framework to provide automatic stuff like session
state handling, persistence, database access etc. This can be very
powerful. Runs within a Windows based web server (IIS) with the
.net framework installed. The actual client can pretty much be any
html4/css compliant browser.

"Glen B" wrote:
Agreed. An IIS server is required. The Apache ASP project is pretty
popular, but I still feel that Microsoft technology runs best on
Microsoft products.
Tony Gravagno wrote:
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This is one of the most common misconceptions:
IIS is not required to run ASP.NET!
You can serve ASP.NET code with no web server at all on your system.
You can deploy a browser UI using http://localhost:1234/app.aspx as
the URI to your application.

You can run ASP.NET code on Linux with the XSP low-footprint web
server, or you can run in Apache with mod-mono.
Tony, do you know this from experience?
That is, have you seen Apache/mod_mono work?
If so, on Windows, or Linux?

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Tony Gravagno
 
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Default Re: Reporting tools - 02-09-2006 , 03:51 PM



JET wrote:
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You can run ASP.NET code on Linux with the XSP low-footprint web
server, or you can run in Apache with mod-mono.

Tony, do you know this from experience?
That is, have you seen Apache/mod_mono work?
If so, on Windows, or Linux?
Sure, the Mono project websites themselves run .aspx pages from Linux.
See this site for lots of links to projects and sites that run over
Mono:
http://www.gotmono.net/
Sites that you visit with or without .aspx extensions could be using
Mono, you really don't know unless you're sniffing HTTP headers.

The default OSS mod_mono does not work with Windows Apache yet but
there is one developer who has done the port.

Since no one has commissioned the Research department of Nebula R&D to
investigate the details of deployment, my experience has just been to
try a tidbit of code, verify that it works, then move on to other
things. When I tried to install code to take my research further I
got into Linux dependency hell and gave up.

TG@ removethisNebula-RnD.com


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Tony Gravagno
 
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Default Re: Reporting tools - 02-09-2006 , 03:51 PM



"dawn" wrote:
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Simon wrote:
but perhaps I was seeking to state that it's not
the full framework running on Linux... I know it's doesn't support all
Win32 stuff, which can be a problem.

Yes, that was what I had read.

I don't know how successful Mono can be (with add-ins) in running Windows
Forms... IMHO until it can duplicate the main functionality of Windows forms
as well as web forms, then it will be useless to me and I won't find out
more.... Though to be honest, I've not got the requirement (today) to run
on anything other than Windows.... but it would be nice to know I *could*.
I have no clients at all who are interested in Windows Forms, everyone
wants a thin-client web solution, even for their LAN users who run
nothing but Windows desktops. No one has even asked for an MV admin
app for their Linux console. (Hmm, I'd probably recommend a Webmin
plugin anyway.)

I don't think it's fair for people to blow off a project like Mono
because it doesn't do something that apparently no one cares about
anyway, which is supporting Microsoft syntax for thick client. The
fact is that you _can_ write desktop clients in Mono that will run in
Linux, Windows, and Mac, and with syntax that's familiar to any C#
developer.

Once again I see a major disparities between Supply and Demand, and
what people say vs what people do: Linux fans are keen on replacing
the Windows workstation with the Linux desktop, but no one in this
community has expressed interest in presenting their apps on the Linux
desktop, except through the braindead Konsole terminal emulation which
no end-user will buy. People here talk about the increasing costs of
deployment and the difficulties of selling apps with multiple
licensing tiers including Windows and Accuterm, but they have no real
interest in eliminating either of those tiers. I dunno folks, the
technology is there, use it.

T


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Tony Gravagno
 
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Default Re: Reporting tools - 02-09-2006 , 03:51 PM



"Glen B" wrote:

Quote:
Agreed. An IIS server is required. The Apache ASP project is pretty
popular, but I still feel that Microsoft technology runs best on Microsoft
products.

This is one of the most common misconceptions:
IIS is not required to run ASP.NET!
You can serve ASP.NET code with no web server at all on your system.
You can deploy a browser UI using http://localhost:1234/app.aspx as
the URI to your application.


But only under Windows. You can't just dump an ASP.NET page on a typical
*nix box and run it. The same goes for Bash, Perl, or Python on Linux versus
Windows.
I'm sorry Glen but that's not correct either. You can create a class
that inherits from IHttpHandler which when compiled will function like
a mini ASP.NET handler. It works through AddHandler the same way any
other language is invoked in Apache. So you can write a dirt simple
program in C# that processes pages with a ".glen" suffix, and you
don't even need to install mod_mono into Apache. Of course you don't
get all the benefits of a full implementation or even the same
benefits that the Microsoft ASP.NET implementation provides when
serving files from the file system (they've obviously spent a little
more time on this than writing a "dirt simple" program), but you can
do this.

HTH.
TG@ removethisNebula-RnD.com


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