Remember PICKWORLD?

#21

"Mike Preece" <michael (AT) preece (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

My original reason for posting this was that I've lost my old copy
containing an article entitled "The Data World is Not Flat" - or
something similar, by Peter M. Schwinn. Can someone give me a few
lines (in their own words of course) to remind me of some of the
points he was trying to make?

Does anyone have anything containing any reference to that application
development competition that ran somewhere in Scandinavia(?) sometime
in the '80s(?) that was often won by a team using the Pick(-like?)
DBMS and ARev(?) or SB+(?) or something I (almost) remember reading
about in Computer Weekly(?) many years ago?

Mike.

The article you refer to is by Peter M. Schwinn in the May/June 1994 issue
and
is called "The Data World is Not Flat", subtitled "And Evidence that Pick Is
Relational, After All". He seems to say that Pick is more true to the
relational
model at its core than most other databases . The degree to which Pick is
relational depends on the design of the database. If the designer sticks to
relational principals during the design phase then Pick is highly relational
and
repeating values do not render the database non-relational. He goes on to
predict
that "the Pick Model will become the predominate relational database for
commercial
applications, and the SQL model will fade into disuse".

Ron White

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#22

Originally posted by Ron White

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"Mike Preece" <michael (AT) preece (DOT) net> wrote in message

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My original reason for posting this was that I've lost my old
copy

containing an article entitled "The Data World is Not Flat" -
or

something similar, by Peter M. Schwinn. Can someone give me a
few

lines (in their own words of course) to remind me of some of
the

points he was trying to make?

Does anyone have anything containing any reference to that
application

development competition that ran somewhere in Scandinavia(?)
sometime

in the '80s(?) that was often won by a team using the Pick(-
like?)

DBMS and ARev(?) or SB+(?) or something I (almost) remember
reading

about in Computer Weekly(?) many years ago?

Mike.

The article you refer to is by Peter M. Schwinn in the May/June
1994 issue

and

is called "The Data World is Not Flat", subtitled "And Evidence
that Pick Is

Relational, After All". He seems to say that Pick is more true to the

relational

model at its core than most other databases . The degree to
which Pick is

relational depends on the design of the database. If the designer
sticks to

relational principals during the design phase then Pick is highly
relational

and

repeating values do not render the database non-relational. He
goes on to

predict

that "the Pick Model will become the predominate relational
database for

commercial

applications, and the SQL model will fade into disuse".

Ron White

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#23

michael (AT) preece (DOT) net (Mike Preece) asks:

Quote:

Does anyone have anything containing any reference to that application
development competition that ran somewhere in Scandinavia(?) sometime
in the '80s(?) that was often won by a team using the Pick(-like?)
DBMS and ARev(?) or SB+(?) or something I (almost) remember reading
about in Computer Weekly(?) many years ago?

I remember being invited to observe a competition at an hotel in London in the
late 1980s / early 1990s - Oracle vs SB+ vs ... - in which SB+ came out on top.
The aim was the easy and efficient development of an application to address a
business specification. Jurgen Joarder, Carol McIntosh, Dan Sherrin and others
were inattendance on behalf of SB+

Can anyone else recall the event?

Regards

Malcolm Bull

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+ The general Directory to our Training & Consultancy services:

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#24

I remember a competition run in London that was won by a big margin by SB
( I thought it was mid 1980s and that it was System Builder not SB+, i.e.
before the launch of SB+)

I remember that Derek Miller and Johan Pierese travelled from Johannesburg
as part of the team. I dont remember if Carol was still in Johannesburg then
or if she had already returned to the UK.

I think that it was called a 4GL Grand Prix and was a project in 4 or 5
stages, the last being to make some changes and enhancements to what had
been created in the competition.

Hope that this jogs some memories and we get a little more info on this.

Dave Fisher
Unique Technology
Johannesburg

"MBAddenda" <mbaddenda (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

michael (AT) preece (DOT) net (Mike Preece) asks:

Does anyone have anything containing any reference to that application
development competition that ran somewhere in Scandinavia(?) sometime
in the '80s(?) that was often won by a team using the Pick(-like?)
DBMS and ARev(?) or SB+(?) or something I (almost) remember reading
about in Computer Weekly(?) many years ago?

I remember being invited to observe a competition at an hotel in London in
the
late 1980s / early 1990s - Oracle vs SB+ vs ... - in which SB+ came out on
top.
The aim was the easy and efficient development of an application to
address a
business specification. Jurgen Joarder, Carol McIntosh, Dan Sherrin and
others
were inattendance on behalf of SB+

Can anyone else recall the event?

Regards

Malcolm Bull

================================================== ==========

Remember our websites:

+ Books & training courses for users of Pick & MultiValue systems:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtraining/index.html

+ PDF versions of our Books & MB-Master Self-Tuition courses for users of
Pick
& MultiValue systems:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtraining/pdf.html

+ MB-Cyclopædia for users of Pick & MultiValue systems:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtpublish/index.html

+ MB-OnLine Publications for users of Pick & MultiValue systems:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtexts/index.html

+ Our SB+ Reference Pages:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtpublish/sbplus.html

+ Our This is ... series of Books for users of Pick & MultiValue systems:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtraining/thisis.html

+ The general Directory to our Training & Consultancy services:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtraining/directry.html

+ Our series of MB-Master Self-Tuition Courses for users of Pick &
MultiValue
systems:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtraining/mbslist.html

+ Request a No-Obligations Quotation for our Training Products &
Publications:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtraining/proform.html

#25

In article <20031031124103.00269.00000060 (AT) mb-m22 (DOT) aol.com>,
mbaddenda (AT) aol (DOT) com (MBAddenda) wrote:

Quote:

michael (AT) preece (DOT) net (Mike Preece) asks:

Does anyone have anything containing any reference to that application
development competition that ran somewhere in Scandinavia(?) sometime
in the '80s(?) that was often won by a team using the Pick(-like?)
DBMS and ARev(?) or SB+(?) or something I (almost) remember reading
about in Computer Weekly(?) many years ago?

I remember being invited to observe a competition at an hotel in London
in the
late 1980s / early 1990s - Oracle vs SB+ vs ... - in which SB+ came out
on top.
The aim was the easy and efficient development of an application to
address a
business specification. Jurgen Joarder, Carol McIntosh, Dan Sherrin
and others
were inattendance on behalf of SB+

Can anyone else recall the event?

Regards

Malcolm Bull

================================================== ==========

Mid '80s I'm pretty sure, Malcolm & System Builder, rather than SB+. If
anyone has got old copies of the first 2 editions of Pick Resources Guide,
there was a bibliography section & the report might be in there.

Alan

#26

"Jeffrey Kaufman" <jeffreykaufman (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

I am shipping the following to Henry next week:

30 issues of Pick World (1989 through 1996)
72 issues of Spectrum (1990 through 2003)
4 issues of Dimensions (1996 and 1997)
1 issue of Spectrum Tech (1991 nice picture of Harvey Rodstein)
Pick Hits dated Fall 1990

Jeffrey:

Thanks very much and sorry for the delay in acknowledging the receipt
of your generous gift. I had minor surgery but it has kept me out of
the office and away from the e-mail there. I did not want to post
because of the spam problem which I now have resolved - if you
interpret my e-mail address.

Henry Keultjes
lastnameatearthlinkdotnet

#27

Quote:

Mid '80s I'm pretty sure, Malcolm & System Builder, rather than SB+. If
anyone has got old copies of the first 2 editions of Pick Resources Guide,
there was a bibliography section & the report might be in there.

Alan
I've got a copy of "Pick Resources Guide International 1987(2nd

edition)" and "Pick resources Guide International (Edition 3)". I've
checked out the Bibliography section but can't seem to find the
report. Any more info might help the eyes.

There was this but don't think it's quite what you're looking for:

Brown, M. Pick-ing winners to challenge Unix. Software News 4(4)
April 1984, 23-34.

Ciao
Elkie Holland
Prospectus IT Recruitment

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