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Default Re: need some help on exodus please - 11-03-2010 , 12:08 PM






On 2010-11-03 13:37:24 -0400, x <lucian_pata (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> said:

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Steve asked for help and instead took a beating. He did what he
thinks is best and in the end the market will confirm or not his bet.
The responses here are exactly a sampling of the market. There should
be no criticism to the comments people made.

Technology is an elusive beast, and after decades in the business, many
have seen the next great thing come and go.

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I don't see
the future his way but I was wrong many times over
I think we've all been wrong many times. I am certainly not one to
predict future trends as I have never been a cutting-edge, early
adopter of anything. This is mainly due to having to balance business
risk with reward from the point of view of technical stability and
support.

Right now, for us, Exodus is a curiosity. Steve wrote it, so he can be
comfortable betting his business on it. We cannot. It is generous of
him to make it freely available, so perhaps one day we'll take a look
at it.

I can only wish him sincere success, but for many of the reasons stated
by others, it is just not an option for us right now.

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Default Re: need some help on exodus please - 11-03-2010 , 12:13 PM






On Nov 3, 12:37*pm, x <lucian_p... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
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Steve asked for help and instead took a beating. *
Apologies if I was part of any "beating." What type of help was he
looking for? I thought it was regarding his write-up, his marketing
material. I tried to be helpful on that front.

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He did what he
thinks is best and in the end the market will confirm or not his bet.
From a business perspective I just hope he is not putting all his egs
in one basket. *
One benefit of the approach, as I mentioned earlier, is that he will
have control over the "language" / libraries he uses, so he could
potentially generate anything else from his source code. It does
appear he will be married to C++, but surely there are many companies
that are. It is not typically used for application source code, but
there definitely are many developers doing applications in C++ too,
even if they are not using his libraries (they are using their own).

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The multivalue concept is not married to the BASIC
language, it just happened to become a very happy couple.
Agreed. In fact, one could say that it is not married to anything
other than the data model with variable length fields and persisted
lists, for example.

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*I don't see
the future his way but I was wrong many times over so I have to give
him some slack.
I thought I was doing that. Again, my intent is not to beat up anyone,
but I did try to respond to his request. Perhaps I do not know what
type of help he was seeking. Have a good day. --dawn

> Lucian

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Steve Bush
 
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Default Re: need some help on exodus please - 11-03-2010 , 01:04 PM



On Nov 3, 10:08*pm, Kevin Powick <nos... (AT) spamless (DOT) com> wrote:
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On 2010-11-03 13:37:24 -0400, x <lucian_p... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> said:

Steve asked for help and instead took a beating. *He did what he
thinks is best and in the end the market will confirm or not his bet.

The responses here are exactly a sampling of the market. *There should
be no criticism to the comments people made.

Technology is an elusive beast, and after decades in the business, many
have seen the next great thing come and go.

I don't see
the future his way but I was wrong many times over

I think we've all been wrong many times. *I am certainly not one to
predict future trends as I have never been a cutting-edge, early
adopter of anything. *This is mainly due to having to balance business
risk with reward from the point of view of technical stability and
support.

Right now, for us, Exodus is a curiosity. *Steve wrote it, so he can be
I can live with curiosity.

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comfortable betting his business on it. *We cannot. *It is generous of
him to make it freely available, so perhaps one day we'll take a look
at it.

That would be really great. http://devwiki.neosys.com

Exodus desperately needs a resident language lawyer and I *know* this
forum has the odd one or two.

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I can only wish him sincere success, but for many of the reasons stated
by others, it is just not an option for us right now.

Thank you. Much appreciated.

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Steve Bush
 
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Default Re: need some help on exodus please - 11-03-2010 , 02:13 PM



On Nov 3, 10:13*pm, dawn <dawnwolth... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
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On Nov 3, 12:37*pm, x <lucian_p... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Steve asked for help and instead took a beating. *

Apologies if I was part of any "beating." What type of help was he
looking for? I thought it was regarding his write-up, his marketing
material. I tried to be helpful on that front.

Yes, your help was invaluable and has already been incorporated. Thank
you.

Quote:
He did what he
thinks is best and in the end the market will confirm or not his bet.
From a business perspective I just hope he is not putting all his egs
in one basket. *

One benefit of the approach, as I mentioned earlier, is that he will
have control over the "language" / libraries he uses, so he could
potentially generate anything else from his source code. It does
appear he will be married to C++, but surely there are many companies
Yes, although I would emphasise married to the C++ compiler not the
language. There isnt a char, string or double in sight ... unless you
actually want them.

I am calculating that the "marriage" is actually loosely to the
"squiggly bracket language" world and will have long term serendipity.
Exodus almost certainly can be ported quite easily to the C#
juggernaut even now and who knows, even Java or some future Son of
Javas may acquire operator overloading. There may even be people who
are happy to use things like "x.add(y)" which is the only way to
implement pick's + in java.

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that are. It is not typically used for application source code, but
there definitely are many developers doing applications in C++ too,
even if they are not using his libraries (they are using their own).

The multivalue concept is not married to the BASIC
language, it just happened to become a very happy couple.

Agreed. In fact, one could say that it is not married to anything
other than the data model with variable length fields and persisted
lists, for example.

*I don't see
the future his way but I was wrong many times over so I have to give
him some slack.

I thought I was doing that. Again, my intent is not to beat up anyone,
but I did try to respond to his request. Perhaps I do not know what
type of help he was seeking. Have a good day. *--dawn

You did indeed. Thank you again. If anything, I have done a poor job
explaining myself.

> > Lucian

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