Are there ANY remaining success stories about MV in general??

"diets" <diets (AT) homemail (DOT) co.za> wrote

well i'm not sure about success stories... but i seem to remember some lyrics...

Oxford Town, Oxford Town
Ev'rybody's got their heads bowed down
The sun don't shine above the ground
Ain't a-goin' down to Oxford Town


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...49890b117a0c26

Tony Gravagno wrote:
There's a thread on comp.databases.theory about this, too.

--
frosty

I've been provided with other references to this development effort.
The first is a Word Doc / whitepaper from Microsoft describing their
part in this project:
http://tinyurl.com/9476o
The second is a blog entry from a former R&R employee:
http://darthvob.us/archives/2004/07/08/

Let's all look at this as a learning experience. From what I gather
this started as a migration from MV but what it turned into somewhere
in the development process was an effort to emulate MV functionality
in a non-MV setting - real bad move.

I'll still maintain that cutting losses and fessing up was the best
political move for R&R out of this mess. But what do I know? Just
look at where the my own "glasnost" policy got me with the last public
company I worked for.

T

Tony Gravagno wrote:
"The managers of these contractors did not understand that a relational
database could not do multi-values. This was a minor problem at the
outset, but it set the tone for development of E2."

Umm... "Minor Problem" ?!? Guess I don't want to be around when
they encounter a Major Problem, then.

Does he mean the minor problem was that the managers didn't know?
So their ignorance of the major problem was only a minor problem?

--
frosty

Can you cut me in for a couple mil? I could write a few Access
reports, and maybe a proc or two.

It is probably worth noting at this point that Reynolds & Reynolds in
Australia took a different approach to their systems redevelopment,
with a different result.

They were chasing the same whizz-bang front end, but used a tool that
REALLY understood what was going on in the back end of their
multi-valued database. It even allowed them to keep their "interesting"
file structures, shared code/logic/"business rules" with their green
screen 4GL environment and allowed interoperability with their existing
green screen applications.

The result is a new generation GUI product called "ERA.net", that is
delivered using web technologies and supports multi-lingual deployment
(eg: English, Chinese, Thai) from a single code/application base, and
has cost a fraction of what R&R US invested in their failed product.

So, what tool did Reynolds & Reynolds Australia use to achieve this ?
[- TG - **WARNING ** V alert ** - ]

Visage of course !

YES, there IS a better way to move existing applications into the 21st
Century, simply, easily & cost effectively. Visit www.stamina.com.au
for more details (couldn't resist the temptation - sorry

Frosty:

Naaaaaa. He means that the major problems are redefined as minor problems
and the minor problems are redefined as new release dates. That way we they
can keep billing. Aren't redefinitions great? :-)

Bill

"frosty" <frosty (AT) bogus (DOT) tld> wrote

"Ross Ferris" wrote:
Ross, yes I'm always amused. In response to this and your other
recent Visage commentary that was preceded by a warning for me: I
always say I don't mind when ads are on-topic. I just get a little
bent when someone asks how to whip up a tuna sandwich and your answer
is "Visage of course !". You're entitled to strut your products and
successes like anyone else, and these recent threads seem to be
appropriate opportunities. In a world where sports stadiums are named
after telephone companies, TV stations have animated ads on top of
their programming, and web pages often have 1/4 page ads that actually
obscure their content, I'm just getting a little trigger happy on
unnecessary solicitation. Feel free to zap me if/when I cross the
line - you'll get your chance soon enough.

My best,
T

Tracy Raines wrote:
Yeah, but will you really write those procs from scratch or
just copy another that's almost the same and modify them?


rog