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Re: Pick jobs -
06-30-2005
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I think the general rule of thumb these days is that you either need specific experience on technology that is "in vogue" right now, or risk lower paid or harder to find jobs.. Of course, the problem is that what is "fashionable" in the IT world changes all the time, so it's necessary to be continuously keeping up to date with new technologies to stay "with the curve".... Also, you can generalise (jack of all trades, master of none)... This can at least give you lots of options.. won't pay as well as being an "expert" in one of the fashionable technologies but will at least mean you've always got a reasonable job!. I'm not going to go as far as to say that "pick" is dead.. just that there is more supply of multi-value experts than there are positions to be filled... My knowledge of economics theory goes back to school days (a dim and distant memory now), but I think that the MV job market (as with most job markets) is reasonably "elastic" in that the "price" of a MV expert is a direct correlation to demand / supply... So, to get the salaries up for MV experts one of two things must happen : - demand must be raised - supply must be reduced. Demand can be raised by better "selling" of multivalue technology generally or alternatively by mass-culling of MV experts who have jobs... Supply can be reduced by either the above happening meaning that all the out of work experts get jobs, or alternatively some culling of supply - either by migration of mv experts to other technology, old age or whatever.. Slightly tongue in cheek, but a serious message amongst it all. I know that it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks (I hope that the 25 yr+ MV experts don't take offense) but the easiest option is to learn new technologies and use your 25 years of real world applications experience to get ahead of the field... Just some of my thoughts.. ought to gain some interesting comments.... Regards Simon "Brian Blackwell" <brianblackwell (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net> wrote in message news:0fzwe.1048753$w62.611143 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... "Ken" <kewaynco (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:dcSdnQNOjdM8_1_fRVn-rA (AT) comcast (DOT) com... Are all the Pick jobs only in UK, Candada, and Australia/NZ? From a quick perusal of this group, it seems so. I may be losing my job in the next several months due to a purchase of our Pick-based company by a non-pick-based company (they are on Mumps). I probably should already have updated my resume, but I kept hoping for status quo on my job. I am in the Atlanta area and have 25 years experience in Pick on medical and collections applications. As a Unidata programmer that has been looking for several months now, my response is a resounding YES. Most PICK jobs are out of this country. The few that remain here are small companies that are offering 15K to 20K less than my last job. I have been working PICK since 1980 with Revelation on a Microdata. The PICK technology is dying and I see no hope for it's revival. |
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Problem is that fashionable keeps changing so quickly. I had thought of getting training on any number of "new" technologies only to find out there are thousands of out-of-work graduates of such schooling. I can find nothing that would enable me to stand out, sufficiently trained, but with no experience. I programmed many years ago in RPG and Cobol, but, I believe, those are both dead as well. And it was so long ago, and so much has changed in the hardware I programmed on, I am not sure if that would make a difference either. I need to do something forthwith, but am having trouble finding what to focus on. Simon Verona wrote: I think the general rule of thumb these days is that you either need specific experience on technology that is "in vogue" right now, or risk lower paid or harder to find jobs.. Of course, the problem is that what is "fashionable" in the IT world changes all the time, so it's necessary to be continuously keeping up to date with new technologies to stay "with the curve".... Also, you can generalise (jack of all trades, master of none)... This can at least give you lots of options.. won't pay as well as being an "expert" in one of the fashionable technologies but will at least mean you've always got a reasonable job!. I'm not going to go as far as to say that "pick" is dead.. just that there is more supply of multi-value experts than there are positions to be filled... My knowledge of economics theory goes back to school days (a dim and distant memory now), but I think that the MV job market (as with most job markets) is reasonably "elastic" in that the "price" of a MV expert is a direct correlation to demand / supply... So, to get the salaries up for MV experts one of two things must happen : - demand must be raised - supply must be reduced. Demand can be raised by better "selling" of multivalue technology generally or alternatively by mass-culling of MV experts who have jobs... Supply can be reduced by either the above happening meaning that all the out of work experts get jobs, or alternatively some culling of supply - either by migration of mv experts to other technology, old age or whatever.. Slightly tongue in cheek, but a serious message amongst it all. I know that it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks (I hope that the 25 yr+ MV experts don't take offense) but the easiest option is to learn new technologies and use your 25 years of real world applications experience to get ahead of the field... Just some of my thoughts.. ought to gain some interesting comments.... Regards Simon "Brian Blackwell" <brianblackwell (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net> wrote in message news:0fzwe.1048753$w62.611143 (AT) bgtnsc05-news (DOT) ops.worldnet.att.net... "Ken" <kewaynco (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:dcSdnQNOjdM8_1_fRVn-rA (AT) comcast (DOT) com... Are all the Pick jobs only in UK, Candada, and Australia/NZ? From a quick perusal of this group, it seems so. I may be losing my job in the next several months due to a purchase of our Pick-based company by a non-pick-based company (they are on Mumps). I probably should already have updated my resume, but I kept hoping for status quo on my job. I am in the Atlanta area and have 25 years experience in Pick on medical and collections applications. As a Unidata programmer that has been looking for several months now, my response is a resounding YES. Most PICK jobs are out of this country. The few that remain here are small companies that are offering 15K to 20K less than my last job. I have been working PICK since 1980 with Revelation on a Microdata. The PICK technology is dying and I see no hope for it's revival. |
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Having said all the above, you will find that if you do develop extra skills, you will find that these skills coupled with your existing MV skillset will set you above the field against many of your MV peerrs. |
programmer of many years. Changing the toolset will offer new
challenges, but he already has experiences meeting the important
challenge of translating real world processes to code.
Luke
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