There is an opportunity In San Diego for some contract work that could turn
into full time but not full time Pick. The usual requirements including the
almost impossible one of being fairly young with only about five years of
Pick experience. I can't say much more yet but if you're interested contact
me off list and I'll put you in touch. They might even go for remote work
but that would probably not convert to a full time job. From what little I
can see it looks like about six months and a fight to get above 60 bucks per
hour.
Since I don't munge my email address be sure to use the word Pick in the
subject. You will get a bounced message but it really did not bounce.
BobJ
bob (AT) rjoslyn (DOT) com

BobJ wrote:
I've been out for a while and just thought I'd check in from a weak
connection in a hotel and see what's happenin' on cdp. So far I have
read about women dancing (in another thread) and age discrimination
(above). Good to see you guys can keep it interesting.

By the way, if anyone is interested in seeing the slides from my ajax
talk at SAPUG, they don't necessarily stand on their own (humor is
lost, as well as some content), you can catch them at
tincat-group.com/talks/ajax.html

Cheers! --dawn

dawn wrote:

The way I see it, it's age discrimination, but in a /good/ way. My take
on the "fairly young" part of the requirement is that it means "willing
to work cheap". Makes it easier to spot the low-paid positions.

Luke

Don't know about the US, but here in the UK, an advert like that is likely
to be judged as age discrimatory and is illegal. But that's the European
Union for you!

Simon

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"Luke Webber" <luke (AT) webber (DOT) com.au> wrote

Man! In Australia the PC's go ape over that. Every state has an anti
discrimination body that could send a saint off his/her/its trolley .
Please note no discrimination in my description. If you think age & sex are
the only problem, forget it. Victoria has a bunch of loonies in the
education department that has ruled that children (ie 16 year olds) on work
experience with a vet are not allowed near animals and those with
hairdressers are not allowed to handle scissors. I shudder to think what
they are not allowed near on a farm.
Peter McMurray
ps welcome back Dawn we missed you.
"Simon Verona" <nomail (AT) nomail (DOT) zzz> wrote

Simon Verona wrote:
As Peter says, it's much the same in Australia. As a result, a lot of
applicants end up wasting their time applying for jobs that they simply
cannot win. And recruiters and HR types spend too much time vetting
applications to weed out those who don't match the secret requirements
that they are barred by law from publishing. Hardly an improvement, IMO.

Which reminds me of a joke, but since it contains ethnic and religious
references, I am forced to self-censor. <g>

Luke

At 62, I'm one of the older folks in the computer industry nowadays. I
really like to work with companies who discriminate based on age and
sex. It gives me a big edge over younger guys and women.

I can do many things youngs guys and girls can't. For example:

I can concentrate for at least 15 minutes without thinking about how I
get into bed with that hottie in Purchasing or gossiping with my cube
mate about what shade of eyliner Jessica is wearing today.

I can work all day without once using my cell phone.

I don't get calls from my boyfriend or girlfriend during work.

I don't get called away from work to pick up my kid from daycare
because she has a fever of 102 degrees.

I bring my lunch to work, so I eat at my desk in 20 minutes or less.

I have written hundreds or programs, designed entire systems, and
heard every end-user's questions and gripes at least 10 times over.

I have a lot of patience and wisdom. Sometimes that's called common
sense. They don't teach common sense in college.

So, all things considered. I say "bring on the discrimination." I
think I'm a better value for an employer than my younger friends.

Looks like my 20 minute lunch break is over. Got to get back to work
now.

Cheers,

- Steve Alexander


On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:31:19 GMT, Luke Webber <luke (AT) webber (DOT) com.au>
wrote:

I did some contract work for a dot com in SF a few years ago. While I was
sitting in my cubicle programming, the under 25 year old programmers were
playing Nerf basketball and skate boarding around the office. What a
surprise they pissed away $80 million and went belly up. Fortunately I took
cash instead of stock options. Still have that t-shirt though.

"Steve Alexander" <sanadoOMIT (AT) OMITsan (DOT) rr.com> wrote

Thanks for that Steve. There is wisdom in your words.

Sadly whilst seeking employment opportunities we older "Pickies" often
find ourselves facing the prejudice of inexperienced or poor competance
of IT managers. Whilst these managers can comfortably assert their
intent on younger employees they can find themselves intimidated by
staff who have the knowledge and experience accumulated through the
years. We older folk have the authority forged through experience to
question paths of development that our inexperienced colleagues would
enthusiastically and blindly follow. This questioning can lead to
conflict that might be good for development but awkward for
inexperienced or incapable management.

I believe that the ideal software development team comprises of
different ages and ideally both sexes. Any company focusing on young
software development staff is doomed to repeat classic software mistakes
ad-nausium. There is no accumulated experience to prevent it.

Just my opinion.

John


Steve Alexander wrote: