Open note to MV providers: Tips of the week

#11

Hi,

I think it would be terrific to see the main MV players offer a 'tip
of the week'. However, it must be quite hard to decide what the tip of
the week should be, and how useful it might be to their wider customer
base. I commend Ladybridge ( in many ways ) for having a go... and
look forward to them each week. I agree that it is a super way of
extending into the MV market place.. well to the software engineers,
technicians, analysts and programmers that make up this community.
Won't matter a hoot to the end user.

As for the Fortran stuff ? Well it came up in the thread and, as it is
a subject of considerable interest to me, I popped in my two pennies
worth ( is that dimes in American ? ).. I would declare immediately
that I am not an expert in GCI, but I have a vague recollection that
INFORMATION cross compiled Databasic to Fortran and then linked down
to the host operating system. I thought GCI came out of that. I might
be very wrong, it was a long time ago..

As for my tip of the week...

MV vendors - follow Ladybridges lead. Post a 'tip of the week' on cdp.
Most of us will follow the link out of curiosity, and learn a great
deal more about your company to boot.

Cheers all...

Gee
(Tony - am off to grab a pangalactic gargle blaster, but regretfully
not in the Countryside Inn and Suites)

On Sep 21, 9:54*pm, Tony Gravagno <tony_grava... (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid>
wrote:

Quote:

I'm perplexed at where this thread has gone.
The first response from John humorously misrepresented one of my
sentences. *The following response by Will misquoted, then referred to
something he himself wrote, then spawned discussion about how silly it
is. *All responses since have been related to fortran.

Let's bring this back to something real. *Would anyone care to comment
on the actual content of the OP?

Among other points, my note encouraged vendors to find out what
features of their platforms are not being used, and to see if perhaps
better documentation or technotes on those topics would improve their
client experience.

GCI was created a long time ago to address a historical need. *If
people don't use GCI for fortran anymore, let's not ridicule the tool,
just don't use that aspect of it and move on. *As mentioned in this
thread, people can as easily ridicule the MV DBMS for many reasons,
including reverse polish notation which no one would think to add to a
DBMS today, handling of sequential tape devices, modem dialers, and
antiquated verbs like PRINTRONIX or those for serial port management.

BTW: GCI allows BASIC to interface with C and C++. *It's a very
powerful feature. *I know very few people who use it today, though
some use it extensively, and I know a lot of sites that could benefit
from it. *Did you know that D3 and jBase have the same feature? *Any
of you D3 or jBase people use it?

Perhaps Rocket should publish more technotes on GCI to discourage
people in forums from unknowingly laughing at it like it's a relic of
the past. *THAT is what my note was about.

T

#12

My posting wasn't off topic. It was exactly on the point of "features
that they don't use".

Features, in MV that nobody uses.

GCI - The reason there aren't more helpful notes on it, is because
nobody uses it.
No one. Zip. Nada

I don't trust anecdotal remarks, including my own.

Will

#13

Godric wrote:

Quote:

(Tony - am off to grab a pangalactic gargle blaster, but regretfully
not in the Countryside Inn and Suites)

Oh, THAT was a fun night my friend. Thanks for the memory.

#14

On Sep 22, 8:58*am, Godric <godricgoodr... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

As for the Fortran stuff ? Well it came up in the thread and, as it is
a subject of considerable interest to me, I popped in my two pennies
worth ( is that dimes in American ? ).. I would declare immediately
that I am not an expert in GCI, but I have a vague recollection that
INFORMATION cross compiled Databasic to Fortran and then linked down
to the host operating system. I thought GCI came out of that. I might
be very wrong, it was a long time ago..

Not exactly. If Databasic were "Cross compiled" to Fortran then we'd
still be able to do this, and we can't.

GCI was a way to allow Databasic to call code which originally written
in Fortran, had been compiled.
It was not a way to turn your code into Fortran, or even compiled
Fortran. (Whatever that may look like.)

Tony claims you can use it today to call compiled C++ routines.
I have never, not once, not one single time, ever, encountered a
company who has ever... done this.
And since I've had nine thousand jobs that's saying a lot

~~

Maybe I should post this over to U2 as well "Has anyone ever done
this? Are you still doing it?"

#15

I think Tony you are confusing people *attempting* to use it, with
people *actually* using it.

Sure lots of people have attempted it.
To my knowledge, no one has actually gotten it to work in a production
environment for anything remotely useful to the company.

I'm sure there are lots of tiny tests out there. With cobwebs all
over them.

~~~~

#16

FWIW, Cache' folks are doing a tip of the week, but they are doing it on their intersystems list (at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/intersystems-mv ). I do not know if they would benefit by sharing them in this forum.. It would be nice if there were a non-nntp list that covered all flavors of MV. Attempts have been made, but ...

cheers! --dawn

#17

dawn wrote:

Quote:

FWIW, Cache' folks are doing a tip of the week,
but they are doing it on their intersystems list

Personally I don't believe company tips belong in a public forum.
Many people only visit forums if they need help - they don't monitor
forums like some of us. But these people are entitled to tips as much
as anyone else, and as a marketing vehicle people should know that
tips are available without having to visit a forum. Important tips
will get lost over time in forums. Official product tips certainly
don't belong in CDP. They belong where the product users are likely
to see them. (And no Northgate, that doesn't include Facebook,
LinkedIn, or other social networks - sorry.) Vendor tips augment
product documentation. I think Martin is doing it the right way -
he's making tips a part of his website where people can find it all
with the rest of the product documentation. Then he advertises the
existence of the tips in the forums, thus making the best use of all
of the resources.

T

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