Secondary result of work of the program PEHELP for UniVerse.

http://infotools.ru/uv/cattype.htm


Any opinions and wishes on improvement of the program are welcomed.

briz (AT) infotools (DOT) ru wrote:



Hey this is great... any problem if a couple of us link to it?

Hello

Something wrong?

With help of PEHELPCREATEWEB program in PE package, You can create
local html version.
This program converts all xxxx.HELP files.
If You don't want to use BRIZ, just remove all CALLs in PEHELPCREATEWEB


Regards,
Grigory

Like the D3 documentation that was posted for public consumption
without permission and with copyright notices stripped out, I am
guessing that this documentation from IBM may also have had some
copyright notices before it was generously provided.


"GVP" <gvp (AT) infotools (DOT) ru> wrote:

I tried to pay attention of developers to that that the documentation
not convenient and not full. It is enough simple transformation of the
text for reception of much more convenient material. RD ignored. May
be IBM will draw a conclusion. Official means of viewing of the
documentation is very bad. Nothing for their improvement. It testifies
to stagnation of the MV market. There is no development. There are no
new ideas. There are no new technologies(In comparison with other
markets). I try to stir the market.

I have spent some days for this very simple program. Why IBM not do it?

I'll remove documentation today.
Swamp will be swamp.

Not new techology in MV documentation:
RD - more then 8 years
IBM - more than 5 years.

Excuse me for my bad English. I hope that You have understood my basic
idea.

Regards,
Grigory

Grigory - the documentation you produced was very interesting and useful.
OK - so you derived it from an IBM source. Could you at least run this by
IBM to see if there is some way to credit them and keep your command
summaries online? Maybe sell it to them? IBM is not like RD.
It was interesting reading while it lasted. I miss it already.
Good luck,
Tom

"GVP" <gvp (AT) infotools (DOT) ru> wrote

Hello Tom,

Many thanks for Your good words.
Everyone can feel free asking me directly or through BRIZ group.
This documentation just minor result of freeware program PEHELP (help
viewer). Everyone can rebuilt html with help of "PEHELPCREATE INSTALL"
from PE freeware package. Also html can be easily converted to CHM or
new window's help format.
I just want to renew MV market. If You have ideas I with pleasure shall
try to realize them. (For example we began work on alternate version of
MV.provider)

Regards,
Grigory

Hi Tony
What are you referring to exactly please. The PEHELP that I am familiar
with is simply a vastly superior way of displaying the REF account. Lo and
Behold it had some useful information that had been hidden by that #$%^&#@$
Update for years and years. It certainly did not have anything stripped
out.
Peter McMurray
"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote

My comment was about copyrighted documentation and not about Grigory's
software, and while I regret that he felt (appropriately) compelled to
remove the docs and deprive people of a nice resource, I think these
sorts of things should not only be "done", but "done right".

I believe Grigory posted D3 Ref material as sample data for his
software about a year ago without asking RD permission. He also
stripped copyright notices from all of the material he published.
That's just not the way things are done, no matter how behind the
times the copyright holder is, how much better the new rendering is,
or how useful the public might find this information. Now we see this
all over again with IBM documentation. My last post showed that I was
a little bent that he didn't learn his lesson the first time. I'm
sorry but it's not his decision to make about how to publish someone
else's documentation, even if the authors make that material freely
downloadable through other venues.

One right way to do this is for him to tell people how to download and
install his software, then to tell people how to legally obtain the
desired documentation. Another way is to ensure proper copyright
notices are still in the material, then get written permission from
the copyright holders to ensure he has a legal right to do what he's
doing.

This same discussion just took place in the OpenQM forum regarding
copyrighted product documentation being posted to a third-party Wiki.
I don't think vendors really care about this sort of thing being done,
and it's an honor if someone finds enough value in one's documentation
to want to re-distribute it, but this must be done with proper respect
for the source.

T



"Peter McMurray" <excalibur21 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:

Hi Tony
I can guarantee that the beautifully presented documentation that is in
PEHELP requires that you have the REF account installed on your machine from
your vendor cd. He simply provides a decent interface to what should have
been a useful resource over the last few years and wasn't. He does this by
adding a couple of sensible indices and putting it into HTML, he definitely
does not rip anything out.
In fact his presentation is better than the new documentation from RD
although I must say that is a vast improvement. It is usable and can be
kept open whilst working. What a pity that they did not get anyone with a
Windows background to proof it some considerable confusion could be avoided.
I have very strong views on copyright having had my software stolen on a
number of occasions and would certainly not support unlicensed use.
Peter McMurray

"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote