Hi group,
I have been curious for a few years now about the number of members in
the users groups.

comp.databases.pick has 781 members
comp.databases.jbase has 1,837 members

Does this mean that Jbase has twice the members register? Does this
translate into Jbase having twice the number of users as D3, mvBASE
and traditional 'Pick'?

btw: I do know that U2 has their own users group and it's not part of
these users groups.

Just wondering.....

-Peter G.

What is this "register" of which you speak?

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"mdsi2000" <mdsi2000 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

On Jan 13, 10:53*am, "frosty" <fros... (AT) bogus (DOT) invalid> wrote:

I got the member count from Google Groups. Below are the groups that I
registed to and read daily.

My groups
Single-column » View: Grid, List Group New items Members Role Last
visit

comp.*databases.*pick 781 Member 0 minutes ago

jBASE 0 1837 Member 2 hours ago

OpenQM 0 237 Member 19 hours ago

Reality 0 105 Member 3 days ago

DesignBais-Forum 0 157 Member 5 days ago

mv.*NET Developer Forum 0 141 Member 5 days ago

Print Wizard 4 0 43 Member Longer than a week

Peter,

A few things to keep in mind.

- Not all D3 users are registered on the Comp.Database.Pick forum.
- Not all forum users on CDP are D3 users.
- jBASE forum also includes the Temenos Globus T24 software package. Yes, they use jBase but mostly from an applications level not a database level.

I hope this clears things up a bit.

Rick

On Jan 13, 1:00*pm, Rick Weiser <r... (AT) designbais (DOT) com> wrote:
Rick,
That would explain the high membership. I would think that if more
traditional Pick super users sign up the .databases.pick group would
be very high.

See you on the 20th...

Thanks,
-Peter G.

Peter,

The power users of this group have mostly left the group as there is no moderator and things get through that shouldn't. So, many have left. I have offered to create and moderate a new group (I already monitor the jBase andDesignBais groups) to make a better forum but got no responses.

Rick

Also note that CDP is not a Google Group, it's Usenet!
I've explained all of this in my blog:
nospamNebula-RnD.com/blog/web/2006/12/usenet101.html

The readership of CDP via Google is only some percentage of the total
readership, though these days I'd guess most of the readership is via
Google. There are other web forums that "syndicate" the Usenet feed.
This is not the case with other MV forums which actually are Google
Groups (except for the U2 forum), so the member counts there are more
indicative of the readership.

One of the major differences between a Google Group and Usenet is that
with a Google Group you can get your content via email, and respond to
the forum back through email. I believe that with Google Groups, a
Usenet forum can only accept posts through the browser interface.
Personally I never use the Google browser interface, I use email for
everything, so I don't get CDP via Google and I'm therefore one of the
many not counted in the CDP "membership" via Google.

I'd add that with any membership list, the number of readers will be
lower than the registered member count, as many people let their spam
filters delete mail they don't want rather than unsubscribing.
Without a challenge mechanism to see if people are paying attention,
we have no idea how many people actually read their Google Groups via
email or browser. Google certainly has this information but it's not
in their best interest in terms of marketing to remove inactive
accounts.

T

Rick Weiser wrote:

On Jan 13, 11:37*am, Rick Weiser <r... (AT) designbais (DOT) com> wrote:
I can't agree with this assessment.
People don't leave when there is no moderator. I don't believe that's
the issue at all.
The amount of spam on this Usenet/GoogleGroup is very small imho. It
takes me about one second to skim past it.
One of the best parts of this group is that there is no moderator.
Moderators are evil.

W

wjhonson wrote:

Will, I don't believe the problem that Rick refers to is spam. I
think a moderator could have helped with the following:

1) We've had heated arguments which turn people off. Some threads
take on a character which is more about the people than the technical
subject, and moderation can help to head that off.

2) One member of this audience has issues dealing with life and
occasionally injects that into this forum. A moderator would have
removed all of that rather than exposing readers to it. One incident
is forgetable but with no moderation a lot of incidents become a
general turn off.

3) YMMV but I also believe a moderator would help to head off some
chronic technical mis-statements which have no basis in fact. An
off-list "please substantiate your claim" in such chronic cases would
keep the fact ratio where it should be.

Moderators aren't evil, censorship is. There's a difference. I think
the moderation of the U2 forum is a superior example of high quality
moderation by a sensible group of people, which keeps the dialogs
codial, informative, and lively. I think we would have done a lot
better here with a small group of such moderators.

T

To: mdsi2000
mdsi2000 wrote:
that use Google Groups. Google Groups != Usenet. It's just a way of
_accessing_ Usenet. I suspect that there are many, many other people that
read both of those groups outside of what GG can count.

Also, pick and jbase are newsgroups in the comp.databases heirarchy and are
*not* "user groups".

g.

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