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Mike Preece wrote: Tony Gravagno wrote: MikeP, MikeR's point was that there is no CDR group anymore, it's been dead for years (now you have me thinking of Monty Python and John Cleese banging the parrot on the desk...). But the other Rev forums are doing fine. Like the U2UG forums there is no perceived problem with the medium that they've chosen. About "switching from a list-server to a forum", now you have me completely confused. They're all forums. Your list IS on a list-server. There are little to no benefits of switching from one e-mail forum to another. If you're prepared to discuss this I'm certain I can shoot that argument down. If this was poker - I've got the nuts mate. There ARE advantages in switching from a list-server to a group. One has a subset of the other's functionality. The U2ug's efforts - providing a means to search the archives and present the emails in a kinda-sorta threaded feed for people to browse recent posts on the web, and the indexinfocus search facility - do go some way towards the sort of functionality you get out-of-the-box with a google group - but it's nowhere near as slick, or as *user-friendly*. If I can butt in, the U2UG's effort also includes supporting the ability to request changes. I do have your question into the board, but we have not had another meeting since that time (sorry I'm delinquent in getting back to you). There is a community forum, u2-community on which you might want to post any concerns about the mailing list to see if it can be made more useful to you. It is a nice and helpful community and if you can figure out how to make it work for you, I suspect that would be a good thing. If it needs to move in some way to support you better (we are aware it isn't perfect), then be persistent and look for win-win solutions so that everyone benefits. I have/am subscribed to the list-server. It's just that I find it irksome to deal with. It's more like standing outside a debating chamber with someone handing out notes to let me know what's being discussed - compared to what I would call a proper forum, and what you would call a browser forum, where you feel much more aware of the discussion and peoples' contibutions and the context in which they were made - how they fit in to the "thread". The list-server concept seems clunky to me. I use gmail which keeps threads together, so I don't think I have the same problem you are experiencing. The real problem for me, though, goes way beyond user-unfriendliness. I simply cannot use the list-server where I need it most - at work. It's barred. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. How incredibly odd. Are all listservs barred or just those that might help get the job done? ;-) I have also imposed my own "censorship" in that I refuse to use my normal mail service to subscribe to u2-users. I really don't want all that stuff in my inbox. If you are interested in a gmail account, perhaps just for this purpose, I have plenty of invitations left (I think you still need to be invited to gmail). I think that would actually solve your problem -- the e-mails would stay on another server where you could access them via a browser and they would show threaded discussions. Let me know if you want an account. I think that would get you at least very close to all of the features you want. --dawn |
than you invite me to set one up of my own - we could all share the
same one. ;-)
Mike.
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dawn wrote: Mike Preece wrote: Tony Gravagno wrote: MikeP, MikeR's point was that there is no CDR group anymore, it's been dead for years (now you have me thinking of Monty Python and John Cleese banging the parrot on the desk...). But the other Rev forums are doing fine. Like the U2UG forums there is no perceived problem with the medium that they've chosen. About "switching from a list-server to a forum", now you have me completely confused. They're all forums. Your list IS on a list-server. There are little to no benefits of switching from one e-mail forum to another. If you're prepared to discuss this I'm certain I can shoot that argument down. If this was poker - I've got the nuts mate. There ARE advantages in switching from a list-server to a group. One has a subset of the other's functionality. The U2ug's efforts - providing a means to search the archives and present the emails in a kinda-sorta threaded feed for people to browse recent posts on the web, and the indexinfocus search facility - do go some way towards the sort of functionality you get out-of-the-box with a google group - but it's nowhere near as slick, or as *user-friendly*. If I can butt in, the U2UG's effort also includes supporting the ability to request changes. I do have your question into the board, but we have not had another meeting since that time (sorry I'm delinquent in getting back to you). There is a community forum, u2-community on which you might want to post any concerns about the mailing list to see if it can be made more useful to you. It is a nice and helpful community and if you can figure out how to make it work for you, I suspect that would be a good thing. If it needs to move in some way to support you better (we are aware it isn't perfect), then be persistent and look for win-win solutions so that everyone benefits. I have/am subscribed to the list-server. It's just that I find it irksome to deal with. It's more like standing outside a debating chamber with someone handing out notes to let me know what's being discussed - compared to what I would call a proper forum, and what you would call a browser forum, where you feel much more aware of the discussion and peoples' contibutions and the context in which they were made - how they fit in to the "thread". The list-server concept seems clunky to me. I use gmail which keeps threads together, so I don't think I have the same problem you are experiencing. The real problem for me, though, goes way beyond user-unfriendliness. I simply cannot use the list-server where I need it most - at work. It's barred. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. How incredibly odd. Are all listservs barred or just those that might help get the job done? ;-) I have also imposed my own "censorship" in that I refuse to use my normal mail service to subscribe to u2-users. I really don't want all that stuff in my inbox. If you are interested in a gmail account, perhaps just for this purpose, I have plenty of invitations left (I think you still need to be invited to gmail). I think that would actually solve your problem -- the e-mails would stay on another server where you could access them via a browser and they would show threaded discussions. Let me know if you want an account. I think that would get you at least very close to all of the features you want. --dawn Or maybe we could have just the one shared threaded "inbox". Rather than you invite me to set one up of my own - we could all share the same one. ;-) |
person in that group right now. Also, I don't think a single person
can legitimately claim multiple gmail accounts, so someone would have
to use theirs for this purpose. I suppose I could give you access to
my inbox, but you might not be as interested in what my kids or parents
are up to or find my opinions on the TNIV translation of Scripture far
too controversial (or be amazed that I'm even willing to discuss it).
Seriously, let me know if you would like to give that a spin. I really
do think it might just be an excellent solution for you. --dawn
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Mike Preece wrote: dawn wrote: Mike Preece wrote: Tony Gravagno wrote: MikeP, MikeR's point was that there is no CDR group anymore, it's been dead for years (now you have me thinking of Monty Python and John Cleese banging the parrot on the desk...). But the other Rev forums are doing fine. Like the U2UG forums there is no perceived problem with the medium that they've chosen. About "switching from a list-server to a forum", now you have me completely confused. They're all forums. Your list IS on a list-server. There are little to no benefits of switching from one e-mail forum to another. If you're prepared to discuss this I'm certain I can shoot that argument down. If this was poker - I've got the nuts mate. There ARE advantages in switching from a list-server to a group. One has a subset of the other's functionality. The U2ug's efforts - providing a means to search the archives and present the emails in a kinda-sorta threaded feed for people to browse recent posts on the web, and the indexinfocus search facility - do go some way towards the sort of functionality you get out-of-the-box with a google group - but it's nowhere near as slick, or as *user-friendly*. If I can butt in, the U2UG's effort also includes supporting the ability to request changes. I do have your question into the board, but we have not had another meeting since that time (sorry I'm delinquent in getting back to you). There is a community forum, u2-community on which you might want to post any concerns about the mailing list to see if it can be made more useful to you. It is a nice and helpful community and if you can figure out how to make it work for you, I suspect that would be a good thing. If it needs to move in some way to support you better (we are aware it isn't perfect), then be persistent and look for win-win solutions so that everyone benefits. I have/am subscribed to the list-server. It's just that I find it irksome to deal with. It's more like standing outside a debating chamber with someone handing out notes to let me know what's being discussed - compared to what I would call a proper forum, and what you would call a browser forum, where you feel much more aware of the discussion and peoples' contibutions and the context in which they were made - how they fit in to the "thread". The list-server concept seems clunky to me. I use gmail which keeps threads together, so I don't think I have the same problem you are experiencing. The real problem for me, though, goes way beyond user-unfriendliness. I simply cannot use the list-server where I need it most - at work. It's barred. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. How incredibly odd. Are all listservs barred or just those that might help get the job done? ;-) I have also imposed my own "censorship" in that I refuse to use my normal mail service to subscribe to u2-users. I really don't want all that stuff in my inbox. If you are interested in a gmail account, perhaps just for this purpose, I have plenty of invitations left (I think you still need to be invited to gmail). I think that would actually solve your problem -- the e-mails would stay on another server where you could access them via a browser and they would show threaded discussions. Let me know if you want an account. I think that would get you at least very close to all of the features you want. --dawn Or maybe we could have just the one shared threaded "inbox". Rather than you invite me to set one up of my own - we could all share the same one. ;-) Only those who don't like their current solution. I only know one person in that group right now. |
How many of them have considered the possibility?
How many of them have expressed a preference for the list-server over a
list-server/group combined?
How many of them prefer indexinfocus to google searching?
How many see a benefit in having how ever many hundreds or thousands of
copies of the same emails spread over hundreds or thousands of inboxes
all over the world as opposed to just the one shared repository? What
would they miss?
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Also, I don't think a single person can legitimately claim multiple gmail accounts, so someone would have to use theirs for this purpose. I suppose I could give you access to my inbox, but you might not be as interested in what my kids or parents are up to or find my opinions on the TNIV translation of Scripture far too controversial (or be amazed that I'm even willing to discuss it). Seriously, let me know if you would like to give that a spin. I really do think it might just be an excellent solution for you. --dawn Mike. |
shared inbox we could all use - instead of individual gmail inboxes -
would be something like, but not as good as, u2users google group. Then
everyone can share the same "inbox".
One day the two - the list-server and the google group - will be
interlinked. It's just a matter of time and cooperation. I've looked at
getting a direct feed to the google group from the majordomo
list-server but I can't get that working on my own, as the majordomo
address is rejected by the google group sign-up as an inelligible
address. I can't send emails from the google group to the list-server -
unless the list-server itself is a member of the group. Unless I can
get the google people to cooperate with the u2ug people then it looks
as though it's going to have to be either/or. People can stay with the
majordomo list-server or switch to the google group. I haven't pressed
anyone on this. I don't want to fragment things. I'd like a win-win.
I'd like u2ug to get behind the idea of a move up to something better.
I really believe - am 100% certain - that a move from the list-server
to a google group would be a benefit to all.
Mike.
PS. Anyone know where I can download that Little Feat song "Time Loves
a Hero"? Oh - never mind - I'll just use Google.
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Peter, Your supercilious obsfuscation regarding 1959 leads me to believe that any further discussion will fall on deaf ears, or at best, ears full of s..t. This has already gone on waaaaaaaay past what would or could be considered useful information or even reminiscing.... You don't win.... There never was any competition to win.... BTW "Port" is a contraction of "portmanteau"... and that is a word to describe luggage.... Very similar, if I may say, as "case" is to "suitcase" or even, to "briefcase", and surely in no need of a childish sneering attempt of a put-down On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:37:31 GMT, "Peter McMurray" excalibur21 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote: snipped in its entireity Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURY NSW Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.... |
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