MVDC

#1

If you have projects on MVDC, please download your files before this
weekend. Due to severe technical problems this week, a lack of
funding, and a general lack of community interest I'm taking it down
for good. I just don't have the time or money to devote to such a
demanding service if there's only 1 or 2 projects with any kind of
regular activity.

FTP to the site and look in the mvdevcentral directory. You can
download your cvsroot, web pages, and downloads. I will be wiping the
FTP directory on Saturday.

Glen

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#2

I've been working with Glen superficially to co-administer the MVDC
site and I'm quite disturbed by these events. Glen has put in a lot
of time and expense and it gets him nothing when all he wants is to
spawn some community interest and help keep the community vibrant.
The community shows virtually no interest in PickSource or MVDC. I'm
not saying anyone should feel compelled to visit some website or use
software that doesn't interest them, but I wish we knew what it was
that would motivate this group of user/developers to function as an
active and sharing community - a Usenet forum doesn't quite cut it.
If a ton of free software and information doesn't do it then what
will?

As Glen said, the raw backup of projects and web pages, etc will be
taken down this weekend. I've downloaded the entire repository and
will make it available on e-mail request only from the Nebula R&D
website. This is a historical reference, will not be updated, will
not be turned into a community site (by me), and will be taken down
after some number of months. It's really a shame to see these great
open source projects go to waste.

The Open Source thing may get a revival in this market but someone
else needs to step up to bat. I don't think it's fair to put this on
Glen anymore.

TG@ removethisNebula-RnD .com

Glen wrote:

Quote:

If you have projects on MVDC, please download your files before this
weekend. Due to severe technical problems this week, a lack of
funding, and a general lack of community interest I'm taking it down
for good. I just don't have the time or money to devote to such a
demanding service if there's only 1 or 2 projects with any kind of
regular activity.

FTP to the site and look in the mvdevcentral directory. You can
download your cvsroot, web pages, and downloads. I will be wiping the
FTP directory on Saturday.

Glen

#3

I also feel it is a shame to let it go. I have downloaded a program or two
from PickSouce, including a nice XML parser that Patrick wrote. I submitted
a program before the big crash a couple of years ago, but admit I have done
little since.

What can we as a group do to save the site? Send encouragement? Send money?
Volunteer time?

Jeff

"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote

Quote:

I've been working with Glen superficially to co-administer the MVDC
site and I'm quite disturbed by these events. Glen has put in a lot
of time and expense and it gets him nothing when all he wants is to
spawn some community interest and help keep the community vibrant.
The community shows virtually no interest in PickSource or MVDC. I'm
not saying anyone should feel compelled to visit some website or use
software that doesn't interest them, but I wish we knew what it was
that would motivate this group of user/developers to function as an
active and sharing community - a Usenet forum doesn't quite cut it.
If a ton of free software and information doesn't do it then what
will?

As Glen said, the raw backup of projects and web pages, etc will be
taken down this weekend. I've downloaded the entire repository and
will make it available on e-mail request only from the Nebula R&D
website. This is a historical reference, will not be updated, will
not be turned into a community site (by me), and will be taken down
after some number of months. It's really a shame to see these great
open source projects go to waste.

The Open Source thing may get a revival in this market but someone
else needs to step up to bat. I don't think it's fair to put this on
Glen anymore.

TG@ removethisNebula-RnD .com

Glen wrote:
If you have projects on MVDC, please download your files before this
weekend. Due to severe technical problems this week, a lack of
funding, and a general lack of community interest I'm taking it down
for good. I just don't have the time or money to devote to such a
demanding service if there's only 1 or 2 projects with any kind of
regular activity.

FTP to the site and look in the mvdevcentral directory. You can
download your cvsroot, web pages, and downloads. I will be wiping the
FTP directory on Saturday.

Glen

#4

If it were just a case of parking the site somewhere, and having a pipe
out to the net, we could certainly host it and have othr people
administer .... but I have a feeling that it is more than that

Jeffrey Kaufman wrote:

Quote:

I also feel it is a shame to let it go. I have downloaded a program or two
from PickSouce, including a nice XML parser that Patrick wrote. I submitted
a program before the big crash a couple of years ago, but admit I have done
little since.

What can we as a group do to save the site? Send encouragement? Send money?
Volunteer time?

Jeff

"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote in message
news:iecdl19qs9jfc11aqi4a17hi43u1072iik (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
I've been working with Glen superficially to co-administer the MVDC
site and I'm quite disturbed by these events. Glen has put in a lot
of time and expense and it gets him nothing when all he wants is to
spawn some community interest and help keep the community vibrant.
The community shows virtually no interest in PickSource or MVDC. I'm
not saying anyone should feel compelled to visit some website or use
software that doesn't interest them, but I wish we knew what it was
that would motivate this group of user/developers to function as an
active and sharing community - a Usenet forum doesn't quite cut it.
If a ton of free software and information doesn't do it then what
will?

As Glen said, the raw backup of projects and web pages, etc will be
taken down this weekend. I've downloaded the entire repository and
will make it available on e-mail request only from the Nebula R&D
website. This is a historical reference, will not be updated, will
not be turned into a community site (by me), and will be taken down
after some number of months. It's really a shame to see these great
open source projects go to waste.

The Open Source thing may get a revival in this market but someone
else needs to step up to bat. I don't think it's fair to put this on
Glen anymore.

TG@ removethisNebula-RnD .com

Glen wrote:
If you have projects on MVDC, please download your files before this
weekend. Due to severe technical problems this week, a lack of
funding, and a general lack of community interest I'm taking it down
for good. I just don't have the time or money to devote to such a
demanding service if there's only 1 or 2 projects with any kind of
regular activity.

FTP to the site and look in the mvdevcentral directory. You can
download your cvsroot, web pages, and downloads. I will be wiping the
FTP directory on Saturday.

Glen

#5

I think you are right Ross. I have plenty of space on my server, but at
18,000 feet from the closest fiber, my DSL is quite slow.

"Ross Ferris" <rossf (AT) stamina (DOT) com.au> wrote

Quote:

If it were just a case of parking the site somewhere, and having a pipe
out to the net, we could certainly host it and have othr people
administer .... but I have a feeling that it is more than that

Jeffrey Kaufman wrote:
I also feel it is a shame to let it go. I have downloaded a program or
two
from PickSouce, including a nice XML parser that Patrick wrote. I
submitted
a program before the big crash a couple of years ago, but admit I have
done
little since.

What can we as a group do to save the site? Send encouragement? Send
money?
Volunteer time?

Jeff

"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote in message
news:iecdl19qs9jfc11aqi4a17hi43u1072iik (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
I've been working with Glen superficially to co-administer the MVDC
site and I'm quite disturbed by these events. Glen has put in a lot
of time and expense and it gets him nothing when all he wants is to
spawn some community interest and help keep the community vibrant.
The community shows virtually no interest in PickSource or MVDC. I'm
not saying anyone should feel compelled to visit some website or use
software that doesn't interest them, but I wish we knew what it was
that would motivate this group of user/developers to function as an
active and sharing community - a Usenet forum doesn't quite cut it.
If a ton of free software and information doesn't do it then what
will?

As Glen said, the raw backup of projects and web pages, etc will be
taken down this weekend. I've downloaded the entire repository and
will make it available on e-mail request only from the Nebula R&D
website. This is a historical reference, will not be updated, will
not be turned into a community site (by me), and will be taken down
after some number of months. It's really a shame to see these great
open source projects go to waste.

The Open Source thing may get a revival in this market but someone
else needs to step up to bat. I don't think it's fair to put this on
Glen anymore.

TG@ removethisNebula-RnD .com

Glen wrote:
If you have projects on MVDC, please download your files before
this
weekend. Due to severe technical problems this week, a lack of
funding, and a general lack of community interest I'm taking it down
for good. I just don't have the time or money to devote to such a
demanding service if there's only 1 or 2 projects with any kind of
regular activity.

FTP to the site and look in the mvdevcentral directory. You can
download your cvsroot, web pages, and downloads. I will be wiping the
FTP directory on Saturday.

Glen

#6

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:19:22 GMT, "Jeffrey Kaufman"
<jkaufman (AT) keydata (DOT) us> wrote:

There is no saving. I would have to rebuild it all from scratch
again, as I've done twice already due to Debian LDAP and Postgres
version package discrepencies under GForge. GForge has strict
requirements for each underlying application(there are a LOT). I just
don't have time to manually keep every piece up to date. If an
aptitude update breaks it, and it royally broke it this time, a
crap-storm of hand-holding and rebuilding typically follows.

Atleast I can run BOINC on the machine and get some benefit from the
power usage. :/

I know that there have been a couple of developers with much
interest and I'm sorry that this happened. Maybe someone else can
invest their time, blood, and money into a CMS web site for MV. If
someone is interested in starting a similar site, I'd be happy to help
get things running. I don't have the will power or time to try
anything like that again.

Glen

Quote:

I also feel it is a shame to let it go. I have downloaded a program or two
from PickSouce, including a nice XML parser that Patrick wrote. I submitted
a program before the big crash a couple of years ago, but admit I have done
little since.

What can we as a group do to save the site? Send encouragement? Send money?
Volunteer time?

Jeff

"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote in message
news:iecdl19qs9jfc11aqi4a17hi43u1072iik (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
I've been working with Glen superficially to co-administer the MVDC
site and I'm quite disturbed by these events. Glen has put in a lot
of time and expense and it gets him nothing when all he wants is to
spawn some community interest and help keep the community vibrant.
The community shows virtually no interest in PickSource or MVDC. I'm
not saying anyone should feel compelled to visit some website or use
software that doesn't interest them, but I wish we knew what it was
that would motivate this group of user/developers to function as an
active and sharing community - a Usenet forum doesn't quite cut it.
If a ton of free software and information doesn't do it then what
will?

As Glen said, the raw backup of projects and web pages, etc will be
taken down this weekend. I've downloaded the entire repository and
will make it available on e-mail request only from the Nebula R&D
website. This is a historical reference, will not be updated, will
not be turned into a community site (by me), and will be taken down
after some number of months. It's really a shame to see these great
open source projects go to waste.

The Open Source thing may get a revival in this market but someone
else needs to step up to bat. I don't think it's fair to put this on
Glen anymore.

TG@ removethisNebula-RnD .com

Glen wrote:
If you have projects on MVDC, please download your files before this
weekend. Due to severe technical problems this week, a lack of
funding, and a general lack of community interest I'm taking it down
for good. I just don't have the time or money to devote to such a
demanding service if there's only 1 or 2 projects with any kind of
regular activity.

FTP to the site and look in the mvdevcentral directory. You can
download your cvsroot, web pages, and downloads. I will be wiping the
FTP directory on Saturday.

Glen

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#7

Would the task be any easier ieas simply moved to Sourceforge? I know
it would run the risk of getting "lost", but ...

#8

On 20 Oct 2005 18:57:02 -0700, "Ross Ferris" <rossf (AT) stamina (DOT) com.au>
wrote:

The original idea was SourceForge for Pick. There are no Pick
specialties on SourceForge, so projects will get lost.

Quote:

Would the task be any easier ieas simply moved to Sourceforge? I know
it would run the risk of getting "lost", but ...

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