MV community lawsuits

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:54:50 +1100, Bruce Nichol
<reverse_ecurb (AT) taloncs (DOT) com.au> wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:32:48 +1100, Luke Webber <luke (AT) webber (DOT) com.au
wrote:

Peter McMurray wrote:
Hi
RECOVER-FD was present in the earliest versions of Pick on Microdata
Reality. However with 32k of core,9k of which was used by the operating
system, the very act of breathing was probably sufficient to overwrite it. I
do remember the support chappie at AWA Melbourne (Basil I think) furiously
typing it in an advanced state of hyperventilation

The size of physical memory wasn't a problem, but yes, you're right.

Anybody ever think how stupid it was that FD and FS are only one key
away from each other on the keyboard?

Yes. Emphatically. It was 2:35pm on Monday, 28th June, 1982.....at
121 High Street, Prahran, Melbourne..... on the first floor... and I
was wearing a charcoal suit with a pale blue shirt and black brogues.
After a luncheon at the Railway Hotel...

Oh.... and RECOVER-FD didn't work......Bugger! Ah well.....


Regards,

Bruce Nichol
Talon Computer Services
ALBURY NSW Australia

http://www.taloncs.com.au

If it ain't broke, fix it until it is....

Bruce Nichol wrote:

Yes. Emphatically. It was 2:35pm on Monday, 28th June, 1982.....at
121 High Street, Prahran, Melbourne..... on the first floor... and I
was wearing a charcoal suit with a pale blue shirt and black brogues.
After a luncheon at the Railway Hotel...

Ah yes, just like yesterday. The Railway Hotel was the undoing of many a
good tech. ;^)

For those not in on the joke, the address given is the old AWA Melbourne
office, and the Railway Hotel is too close by for comfort.

Luke

Luke Webber wrote:

Bruce Nichol wrote:

Yes. Emphatically. It was 2:35pm on Monday, 28th June, 1982.....at
121 High Street, Prahran, Melbourne..... on the first floor... and I
was wearing a charcoal suit with a pale blue shirt and black brogues.
After a luncheon at the Railway Hotel...

Ah yes, just like yesterday. The Railway Hotel was the undoing of many a
good tech. ;^)

For those not in on the joke, the address given is the old AWA

Amalgamated Wireless Australia (agents for MicroData in Australia & New
Zealand)

Melbourne
office, and the Railway Hotel is too close by for comfort.

Luke

Hi
I have never been able to find a place that had better calamari than the
Railway.
However have you noticed the proximity of SD and DF. We always used SD for
Sort Dictionary and the users where perfectly happy. Somehow DF for
Delete-File sneaked in and one day quite possibly June 28 1982 an operator
had a finger move too far with fantastic results.
Happy Days
Peter McMurray
"Luke Webber" <luke (AT) webber (DOT) com.au> wrote

Bruce Nichol wrote:

Yes. Emphatically. It was 2:35pm on Monday, 28th June, 1982.....at
121 High Street, Prahran, Melbourne..... on the first floor... and I
was wearing a charcoal suit with a pale blue shirt and black brogues.
After a luncheon at the Railway Hotel...

Ah yes, just like yesterday. The Railway Hotel was the undoing of many a
good tech. ;^)

For those not in on the joke, the address given is the old AWA Melbourne
office, and the Railway Hotel is too close by for comfort.

Luke

Actually for the award for the all-time-f&*(&-up programming, note uv used
to do this:

LISTFILES
at, say, the end of page 1, Q to quit.
DELETE-FILE [whatever filename you foolishly wanted to check in the listing
above]

It will proceed to delete your entered file, and ALL FILES unlisted from the
listing above (ie, leftover select list).

**It may still do this**. Good luck

Chandru

"Scott Ballinger" <scott.ballinger (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Ok: (d3 7.4.0 rh9)

:select sb.temp with *a1 = "yada-yada"
[401] no items present.
:delete sb.temp
[203] item name?
:
And what's the deal with confusing DELETE and DELETE-FILE? I agree that
DELETE-FILE could use some "protection," like rm is aliased to "rm -i"
for root in linux.

"dawn" <dawnwolthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

murthi wrote:
Can't take credit for AQL, sorry.

The original GIM/GIRLS specification contained a comprehensive and
complete
updating specification. Not surprisingly, the AQL verbs were ADD, DELETE
and
CHANGE. It was a precursor of the SQL in its capabilities. This was
implemented by the original Pick group (Pick, Earl, and 2 others whose
names
I forget) at TRW, "inherited" by Pick Systems on the qt (actually it was,
and still is, all in the public domain, courtesy of the US Army since it
was
taxpayer funded).

Somehow I don't think that all software written by any company today
for the US Army or any other government entity is automatically in the
public domain. Software laws have perhaps changed slightly in the past
four decades?

It was 1968. Was in public domain. Probably still is. TRW did not file

appropriate papers to ensure copyright belonged to them. Chandru

murthi wrote:

"dawn" <dawnwolthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1133541189.732904.313980 (AT) g43g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com...

murthi wrote:
Can't take credit for AQL, sorry.

The original GIM/GIRLS specification contained a comprehensive and
complete
updating specification. Not surprisingly, the AQL verbs were ADD, DELETE
and
CHANGE. It was a precursor of the SQL in its capabilities. This was
implemented by the original Pick group (Pick, Earl, and 2 others whose
names
I forget) at TRW, "inherited" by Pick Systems on the qt (actually it was,
and still is, all in the public domain, courtesy of the US Army since it
was
taxpayer funded).

Somehow I don't think that all software written by any company today
for the US Army or any other government entity is automatically in the
public domain. Software laws have perhaps changed slightly in the past
four decades?

It was 1968. Was in public domain. Probably still is. TRW did not file
appropriate papers to ensure copyright belonged to them. Chandru

Ah, OK. They still sued Pick for something and he ended up paying them
some dollars IIRC. I couldn't find any information on that lawsuit,
although I did get some information from you or others a couple of
years ago. If you or anyone has information on that one, I'm all ears.

If anyone knows how to look up lawsuits (I'll have to stop by a law
library some day), please pass along anything you know about the
TRW-Pick lawsuit (or the Microdata-Pick lawsuit, or any of the others).
Is the lawyer who pressed for so many of these from Pick Systems still
living?

thanks. --dawn

Some of us might have more fun talking about law suits if we weren't
concerned about being brought into court because of it. I just wrote
a couple anecdotes, but even without mentioning names or any specifics
I decided it wasn't prudent to post in public. Not worth the risks.

T

Wow Murthi you win.
Peter McMurray
"murthi" <c_xyz_murthi (AT) seeing_xyz_green (DOT) net> wrote

Actually for the award for the all-time-f&*(&-up programming, note uv used
to do this:

LISTFILES
at, say, the end of page 1, Q to quit.
DELETE-FILE [whatever filename you foolishly wanted to check in the
listing above]

It will proceed to delete your entered file, and ALL FILES unlisted from
the listing above (ie, leftover select list).

**It may still do this**. Good luck

Chandru

"Scott Ballinger" <scott.ballinger (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1133554809.712623.125740 (AT) z14g2000cwz (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Ok: (d3 7.4.0 rh9)

:select sb.temp with *a1 = "yada-yada"
[401] no items present.
:delete sb.temp
[203] item name?
:
And what's the deal with confusing DELETE and DELETE-FILE? I agree that
DELETE-FILE could use some "protection," like rm is aliased to "rm -i"
for root in linux.

Tony Gravagno wrote:

Some of us might have more fun talking about law suits if we weren't
concerned about being brought into court because of it. I just wrote
a couple anecdotes, but even without mentioning names or any specifics
I decided it wasn't prudent to post in public. Not worth the risks.

T

I hear you, Tony.
I suspect that is why some came into my in-box instead. You (and
others) have my e-mail address, right? I would love to hear your
stories. dwolt at tincat - group dot com

Thanks in advance. --dawn