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Tony Gravagno
 
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Default Linux terminal emulation with Accuterm-like features - 05-23-2006 , 03:22 PM






Don't get too excited, it's not here quite yet.

A while back someone asked for something an AccuTerm over Linux. I
had a look at the popular Konsole terminal emulator which runs over
KDE and the source looks like it could easily support hooks which
would allow the server to drive functions on the client. In our
market we consider this a required feature but most other people in
the world see this as a security issue, so the Konsole developers
didn't want to build it into the core package.

At least one of the primary Konsole developers did express willingness
to do custom mods to enhance Konsole to support the AT features that I
described, but it turns out people in this market weren't willing to
pay anything for the features they wanted - so as usual the effor died
and people will simply have to do without. Folks, it's really tough
to get everything for free, open source, and completely packaged in a
plug-n-play format.

However, in a recent follow-up to the Konsole inquiry, another way was
proposed to support some of these features. Rather than enhancing
Konsole itself, some code called ptytunnel was written which would
allow a server to drive client functions through a completely separate
pipe. Since it's not built directly into Konsole, that application is
still secure. This tunnel was written to honor VT100 remote printing
services, but it can faciliate other operations as well.

This code is free and open source, but for now it's only a prototype.
If you are interested in this you should be familiar with Konsole and
C and be willing to customize the code. I have provided it on my
freeware page:
http:// remove.this.anti.spam.partNebula-RnD.com/freeware/
See the README.txt, then ptytunnel_README.txt for details.

If you look at the manpage in the tarball you will see that this is
extensible to support a number of features we enjoy, including
executing client-side programs, down/uploading code, etc. Until some
one or more companies actually decides to pay for the software they
use we will probably never get AccuTerm-like features in the Linux
desktop. But until then, for those people who can do their own coding
here is yet one more option.

HTH
Tony
Nebula R&D
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grs
 
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Default Re: Linux terminal emulation with Accuterm-like features - 05-27-2006 , 02:08 PM






We will get Accuterm on Linux because Peter is working on it and I will be
happy to pay
for the Linux version of Accuterm.
grs


"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote

Quote:
Don't get too excited, it's not here quite yet.

A while back someone asked for something an AccuTerm over Linux. I
had a look at the popular Konsole terminal emulator which runs over
KDE and the source looks like it could easily support hooks which
would allow the server to drive functions on the client. In our
market we consider this a required feature but most other people in
the world see this as a security issue, so the Konsole developers
didn't want to build it into the core package.

At least one of the primary Konsole developers did express willingness
to do custom mods to enhance Konsole to support the AT features that I
described, but it turns out people in this market weren't willing to
pay anything for the features they wanted - so as usual the effor died
and people will simply have to do without. Folks, it's really tough
to get everything for free, open source, and completely packaged in a
plug-n-play format.

However, in a recent follow-up to the Konsole inquiry, another way was
proposed to support some of these features. Rather than enhancing
Konsole itself, some code called ptytunnel was written which would
allow a server to drive client functions through a completely separate
pipe. Since it's not built directly into Konsole, that application is
still secure. This tunnel was written to honor VT100 remote printing
services, but it can faciliate other operations as well.

This code is free and open source, but for now it's only a prototype.
If you are interested in this you should be familiar with Konsole and
C and be willing to customize the code. I have provided it on my
freeware page:
http:// remove.this.anti.spam.partNebula-RnD.com/freeware/
See the README.txt, then ptytunnel_README.txt for details.

If you look at the manpage in the tarball you will see that this is
extensible to support a number of features we enjoy, including
executing client-side programs, down/uploading code, etc. Until some
one or more companies actually decides to pay for the software they
use we will probably never get AccuTerm-like features in the Linux
desktop. But until then, for those people who can do their own coding
here is yet one more option.

HTH
Tony
Nebula R&D
TG@ i.really.hate.spam.so.removethisNebula-RnD.com




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Default Re: Linux terminal emulation with Accuterm-like features - 05-27-2006 , 04:46 PM



grs wrote:
Quote:
We will get Accuterm on Linux because Peter is working on it and I will be
happy to pay
for the Linux version of Accuterm.
grs
Go Pete.

Patrick, <;=)
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Default Re: Linux terminal emulation with Accuterm-like features - 11-21-2006 , 08:26 PM



(latimerp) wrote:
Quote:
grs wrote:
We will get Accuterm on Linux because Peter is working on it and
I will be happy to pay for the Linux version of Accuterm.
grs

Go Pete.

Patrick, <;=)


snip
Just thought I'd chime in here having got Accuterm 2K2 rev 5.2b up
and running on Linux this weekend. It took a few hours of hair-
pulling, mostly to get WINE configured from scratch, and the range
of fonts is limited, but it's there and is stable. Both nailed telnet
and SSH with no problems, other than I had to change the SSH setting
from "auto" to SSH1. I didn't try serial or PicLAN, but I see no
reason they'd not work. I'm using the Bitstream Vera Sans Mono font,
and it sizes nicely. It took a while before I had printing, but that
was corrected once I declared a default printer to WINE.
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Tony Gravagno
 
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Default Re: Linux terminal emulation with Accuterm-like features - 11-22-2006 , 02:52 PM



Thanks for the report Steven.

Any idea how stable SAX scripting is?

T

sdavmor wrote:
Quote:
Just thought I'd chime in here having got Accuterm 2K2 rev 5.2b up
and running on Linux this weekend. It took a few hours of hair-
pulling, mostly to get WINE configured from scratch, and the range
of fonts is limited, but it's there and is stable. Both nailed telnet
and SSH with no problems, other than I had to change the SSH setting
from "auto" to SSH1. I didn't try serial or PicLAN, but I see no
reason they'd not work. I'm using the Bitstream Vera Sans Mono font,
and it sizes nicely. It took a while before I had printing, but that
was corrected once I declared a default printer to WINE.


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Default Re: Linux terminal emulation with Accuterm-like features - 11-22-2006 , 04:32 PM



Steve if you let me know what you are using for a
database. I'll send you something to stress the
Sax Basic with.

Patrick, <;=)

Tony Gravagno wrote:
Quote:
Thanks for the report Steven.

Any idea how stable SAX scripting is?

T

sdavmor wrote:

Just thought I'd chime in here having got Accuterm 2K2 rev 5.2b up
and running on Linux this weekend. It took a few hours of hair-
pulling, mostly to get WINE configured from scratch, and the range
of fonts is limited, but it's there and is stable. Both nailed telnet
and SSH with no problems, other than I had to change the SSH setting

from "auto" to SSH1. I didn't try serial or PicLAN, but I see no

reason they'd not work. I'm using the Bitstream Vera Sans Mono font,
and it sizes nicely. It took a while before I had printing, but that
was corrected once I declared a default printer to WINE.



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