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I've just started to play with the UniVerse Personal Edition for Windows and I'm already having these problems. I'm using Jonathan Sisk's tutorial. He has the format for creating a file as "CREATE-FILE BP 11,1 29,1", but when I do that, the system tells me that I need a file type. So I enter '1' and BP is created. "CREATE-FILE BP 1 11,1 29,1" works for me too. Incidentally, when I put in other numbers besides '1' for file type, it's invalid though the warning text tells me that the valid range is 1 - 19 or 25 or 30. So does '1' specify a directory or folder file? And when the file is created, I'm told that D_BP is Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Now, that doesn't sound right. Also, Sisk tells me to "ED MD BP" so I can enable compilation. But that command doesn't work at all, and it turns out that I can compile anyhow. I don't check my gmail acct very much, so please send notice to iiicollies (AT) mchsi (DOT) com Thanks |
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Hi, Jon Sisk's tutorial deals with generic PICK (otherwise known as R83) and gives the commands relevant for that flavour. UniVerse, and indeed most of the multi-value products available today, can be switched to different "flavours" depending on what your background is - and many commands - including those to create files - are different depending on the flavour. For greatest compatibility, you should probably use the PICK flavour. And then check the manual (I think there is a specific manual giving all the PICK flavour commands) to get the correct syntax. *From memory, type 1 and type 19 files are directory files. Type 18 is the standard data file type - although you can choose a different type. Somewhere in the manuals, there is a table showing the file differences but for the most part you can ignore them. I would recommend that you have LONGNAMES set to ON - otherwise your filenames will be truncated - CUSTOMERS will become something like CUSTU001. Internally, you will see the correct file names, but from Windows Explorer they will be changed. Check out the getting started books for OpenQM available fromwww.rushflat..co.nz- OpenQM is close enough to UniVerse that most things will be the same (but as with every flavour - it is the little differences that are the most annoying). Cheers, Brian On 31/01/2011 3:55 a.m., Bob wrote: I've just started to play with the UniVerse Personal Edition for Windows and I'm already having these problems. I'm using Jonathan Sisk's tutorial. He has the format for creating a file as "CREATE-FILE BP 11,1 29,1", but when I do that, the system tells me that I need a file type. So I enter '1' and BP is created. "CREATE-FILE BP 1 11,1 29,1" works for me too. Incidentally, when I put in other numbers besides '1' for file type, it's invalid though the warning text tells me that the valid range is 1 - 19 or 25 *or 30.. So does '1' specify a directory or folder file? And when the file is created, I'm told that D_BP is Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Now, that doesn't sound right. Also, Sisk tells me to "ED MD BP" so I can enable compilation. But that command doesn't work at all, and it turns out that I can compile anyhow. I don't check my gmail acct very much, so please send notice to iiicoll... (AT) mchsi (DOT) com Thanks- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Hi, Jon Sisk's tutorial deals with generic PICK (otherwise known as R83) and gives the commands relevant for that flavour. UniVerse, and indeed most of the multi-value products available today, can be switched to different "flavours" depending on what your background is - and many commands - including those to create files - are different depending on the flavour. For greatest compatibility, you should probably use the PICK flavour. And then check the manual (I think there is a specific manual giving all the PICK flavour commands) to get the correct syntax. *From memory, type 1 and type 19 files are directory files. Type 18 is the standard data file type - although you can choose a different type. Somewhere in the manuals, there is a table showing the file differences but for the most part you can ignore them. I would recommend that you have LONGNAMES set to ON - otherwise your filenames will be truncated - CUSTOMERS will become something like CUSTU001. Internally, you will see the correct file names, but from Windows Explorer they will be changed. Check out the getting started books for OpenQM available fromwww.rushflat..co.nz- OpenQM is close enough to UniVerse that most things will be the same (but as with every flavour - it is the little differences that are the most annoying). Cheers, Brian On 31/01/2011 3:55 a.m., Bob wrote: I've just started to play with the UniVerse Personal Edition for Windows and I'm already having these problems. I'm using Jonathan Sisk's tutorial. He has the format for creating a file as "CREATE-FILE BP 11,1 29,1", but when I do that, the system tells me that I need a file type. So I enter '1' and BP is created. "CREATE-FILE BP 1 11,1 29,1" works for me too. Incidentally, when I put in other numbers besides '1' for file type, it's invalid though the warning text tells me that the valid range is 1 - 19 or 25 *or 30.. So does '1' specify a directory or folder file? And when the file is created, I'm told that D_BP is Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Now, that doesn't sound right. Also, Sisk tells me to "ED MD BP" so I can enable compilation. But that command doesn't work at all, and it turns out that I can compile anyhow. I don't check my gmail acct very much, so please send notice to iiicoll... (AT) mchsi (DOT) com Thanks |
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On Jan 31, 2:31*am, Brian Speirs <bs... (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote: Hi, Jon Sisk's tutorial deals with generic PICK (otherwise known as R83) and gives the commands relevant for that flavour. UniVerse, and indeed most of the multi-value products available today, can be switched to different "flavours" depending on what your background is - and many commands - including those to create files - are different depending on the flavour. For greatest compatibility, you should probably use the PICK flavour. And then check the manual (I think there is a specific manual giving all the PICK flavour commands) to get the correct syntax. *From memory, type 1 and type 19 files are directory files. Type 18 is the standard data file type - although you can choose a different type. Somewhere in the manuals, there is a table showing the file differences but for the most part you can ignore them. I would recommend that you have LONGNAMES set to ON - otherwise your filenames will be truncated - CUSTOMERS will become something like CUSTU001. Internally, you will see the correct file names, but from Windows Explorer they will be changed. Check out the getting started books for OpenQM available fromwww.rushflat.co.nz-OpenQM is close enough to UniVerse that most things will be the same (but as with every flavour - it is the little differences that are the most annoying). Cheers, Brian On 31/01/2011 3:55 a.m., Bob wrote: I've just started to play with the UniVerse Personal Edition for Windows and I'm already having these problems. I'm using Jonathan Sisk's tutorial. He has the format for creating a file as "CREATE-FILE BP 11,1 29,1", but when I do that, the system tells me that I need a file type. So I enter '1' and BP is created. "CREATE-FILE BP 1 11,1 29,1" works for me too. Incidentally, when I put in other numbers besides '1' for file type, it's invalid though the warning text tells me that the valid range is 1 - 19 or 25 *or 30. So does '1' specify a directory or folder file? And when the file is created, I'm told that D_BP is Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Now, that doesn't sound right. Also, Sisk tells me to "ED MD BP" so I can enable compilation. But that command doesn't work at all, and it turns out that I can compile anyhow. I don't check my gmail acct very much, so please send notice to iiicoll... (AT) mchsi (DOT) com Thanks Brian and Robert, thanks for your comments Here's the context of my explorations into Pick/Universe. I'm probably will be interviewed for a position that advertised as using Pick/ Universe/Basic. The flavor of Pick is out of my control. (Brian, are you from NZ or England?, I noticed you used 'flavour'). Your answers have confirmed what I was suspecting however. In my current Pick installation, you say there's a command to set the flavor? Is there a way to list all commands and then something like a 'man' command? My only reference is the Sisk tutorial though I have bought the O'Reilly Pick book which should be arriving any day now- Hide quoted text- - Show quoted text - |
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On Jan 31, 9:28*am, Bob <iiicoll... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: On Jan 31, 2:31*am, Brian Speirs <bs... (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote: Hi, Jon Sisk's tutorial deals with generic PICK (otherwise known as R83) and gives the commands relevant for that flavour. UniVerse, and indeed most of the multi-value products available today, can be switched to different "flavours" depending on what your background is - and many commands - including those to create files - are different depending on the flavour. For greatest compatibility, you should probably use the PICK flavour. And then check the manual (I think there is a specific manual giving all the PICK flavour commands) to get the correct syntax. *From memory, type 1 and type 19 files are directory files. Type 18is the standard data file type - although you can choose a different type. Somewhere in the manuals, there is a table showing the file differences but for the most part you can ignore them. I would recommend that you have LONGNAMES set to ON - otherwise your filenames will be truncated- CUSTOMERS will become something like CUSTU001. Internally, you will see the correct file names, but from Windows Explorer they will be changed. Check out the getting started books for OpenQM available fromwww.rushflat.co.nz-OpenQMis close enough to UniVerse that most things will be the same (but as with every flavour - it is the little differences that are the most annoying). Cheers, Brian On 31/01/2011 3:55 a.m., Bob wrote: I've just started to play with the UniVerse Personal Edition for Windows and I'm already having these problems. I'm using Jonathan Sisk's tutorial. He has the format for creating a file as "CREATE-FILE BP 11,1 29,1", but when I do that, the system tells me that I need a file type. So I enter '1' and BP is created. "CREATE-FILE BP 1 11,1 29,1" works for me too. Incidentally, when I put in other numbers besides '1' for file type, it's invalid though the warning text tells me that the valid range is 1 - 19 or 25 *or 30. So does '1' specify a directory or folder file? And when the file is created, I'm told that D_BP is Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Now, that doesn't sound right. Also, Sisk tells me to "ED MD BP" so I can enable compilation. But that command doesn't work at all, and it turns out that I can compile anyhow. I don't check my gmail acct very much, so please send notice to iiicoll... (AT) mchsi (DOT) com Thanks Brian and Robert, thanks for your comments Here's the context of my explorations into Pick/Universe. I'm probably will be interviewed for a position that advertised as using Pick/ Universe/Basic. The flavor of Pick is out of my control. (Brian, are you from NZ or England?, I noticed you used 'flavour'). Your answers have confirmed what I was suspecting however. In my current Pick installation, you say there's a command to set the flavor? Is there a way to list all commands and then something like a 'man' command? My only reference is the Sisk tutorial though I have bought the O'Reilly Pick book which should be arriving any day now- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you have on line access to the Universe Account then you have access to the current manual and a more or less incomplete Help system. |
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On Jan 31, 8:46*am, Robert Joslyn <bobjoslyn... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: On Jan 31, 9:28*am, Bob <iiicoll... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: On Jan 31, 2:31*am, Brian Speirs <bs... (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote: Hi, Jon Sisk's tutorial deals with generic PICK (otherwise known as R83) and gives the commands relevant for that flavour. UniVerse, and indeed most of the multi-value products available today, can be switched to different "flavours" depending on what your background is - and many commands - including those to create files - are different depending on the flavour. For greatest compatibility, you should probably use the PICK flavour. And then check the manual (I think there is a specific manual giving all the PICK flavour commands) to get the correct syntax. *From memory, type 1 and type 19 files are directory files. Type 18 is the standard data file type - although you can choose a different type. Somewhere in the manuals, there is a table showing the file differences but for the most part you can ignore them. I would recommend that you have LONGNAMES set to ON - otherwise your filenames will be truncated - CUSTOMERS will become something like CUSTU001. Internally, you willsee the correct file names, but from Windows Explorer they will be changed. Check out the getting started books for OpenQM available fromwww.rushflat.co.nz-OpenQMisclose enough to UniVerse that most things will be the same (but as with every flavour - it is the little differences that are the most annoying). Cheers, Brian On 31/01/2011 3:55 a.m., Bob wrote: I've just started to play with the UniVerse Personal Edition for Windows and I'm already having these problems. I'm using Jonathan Sisk's tutorial. He has the format for creating a file as "CREATE-FILE BP 11,1 29,1", but when I do that, the system tells me that I need a file type. So I enter '1' and BP is created. "CREATE-FILE BP 1 11,1 29,1" works for me too. Incidentally, whenI put in other numbers besides '1' for file type, it's invalid though the warning text tells me that the valid range is 1 - 19 or 25 *or 30. So does '1' specify a directory or folder file? And when the fileis created, I'm told that D_BP is Type 3, Modulo 1, Separation 2. Now, that doesn't sound right. Also, Sisk tells me to "ED MD BP" so I can enable compilation. But that command doesn't work at all, and it turns out that I can compile anyhow. I don't check my gmail acct very much, so please send notice to iiicoll... (AT) mchsi (DOT) com Thanks Brian and Robert, thanks for your comments Here's the context of my explorations into Pick/Universe. I'm probably will be interviewed for a position that advertised as using Pick/ Universe/Basic. The flavor of Pick is out of my control. (Brian, are you from NZ or England?, I noticed you used 'flavour'). Your answers have confirmed what I was suspecting however. In my current Pick installation, you say there's a command to set the flavor? Is there a way to list all commands and then something like a 'man' command? My only reference is the Sisk tutorial though I have bought the O'Reilly Pick book which should be arriving any day now- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you have on line access to the Universe Account then you have access to the current manual and a more or less incomplete Help system. Robert, I have available only Universe Shell and Universe Control Panel. UCP has Universe Resource Service. Is it through the URS that I get access to the manual? And how do I do that? |
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Here's the context of my explorations into Pick/Universe. I'm probably will be interviewed for a position that advertised as using Pick/ Universe/Basic. The flavor of Pick is out of my control. (Brian, are you from NZ or England?, I noticed you used 'flavour'). Your answers have confirmed what I was suspecting however. In my current Pick installation, you say there's a command to set the flavor? Is there a way to list all commands and then something like a 'man' command? My only reference is the Sisk tutorial though I have bought the O'Reilly Pick book which should be arriving any day now- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you have on line access to the Universe Account then you have access to the current manual and a more or less incomplete Help system. Robert, I have available only Universe Shell and Universe Control Panel. UCP has Universe Resource Service. Is it through the URS that I get access to the manual? And how do I do that? |
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Hi Bob, Let's start from the beginning ... The following explanations use UV 10.1 and some of the names may have changed with the transition to Rocket Software rather than IBM. Start > Programs > IBM U2 > UniAdmin > UniAdmin starts the administration utility. You may need to set up the server first using Connect > New. Use 127.0.0.1 for the server name, define it as UniVerse and then click on Register. Then double-click on the server in the list of servers, enter your username and password, and you should see the tree of actions available within the administrator. Double-click on accounts, and you should open a window showing the accounts already defined on the system. Select an account, and click on the detail button. That will show (amongst other things) what flavour the account is. You can't change it here - you set it when you create the account (but I'm sure there is some way to change it after the creation). I'd suggest creating a new account set to PICK flavour so you can try that. User manuals should be at Start > Programs > IBM U2 > ??? - if you've installed them. If you haven't got them, they are available at:http://www..rocketsoftware.com/u2/re...urces/universe You mention UniVerse Shell and UniVerse control panel. UniVerse control panel literally just starts and stops the UniVerse services - nothing else. UniVerse Shell is extremely limited - it is intended for basic administrative tasks only, and not as a real client. You really need other client software. The basic choice is to use Dynamic Connect (part of the UniVerse clients package), but you would be better off downloading a copy of AccuTerm and requesting a personal licence. You'll then need to configure whichever client (terminal emulator) you use to talk to the UniVerse server. Check which port the UVTelnet server is using in UniAdmin (under Network Services) and configure your client to use that port. After that, you should be able to log onto the UniVerse account that you created using UniAdmin. The alternative way to create an account (I think) is simply to create a folder with Windows Explorer, and then in UV: LOGTO folderlocation UniVerse should then prompt you along the lines of: This location is not set up as a UV account. Do you want to create an account? And it will probably prompt you for the flavour as well. Hopefully, that will get you started. The OpenQM books I referred you to earlier will step you through much of this basic installation and much of that is relevant to UniVerse. Cheers, Brian PS I'm from NZ but live in the UK PPS O'Reilly have a PICK book??? Does anyone here know that? On 31/01/2011 3:11 p.m., Bob wrote: Here's the context of my explorations into Pick/Universe. I'm probably will be interviewed for a position that advertised as using Pick/ Universe/Basic. The flavor of Pick is out of my control. (Brian, are you from NZ or England?, I noticed you used 'flavour'). Your answers have confirmed what I was suspecting however. In my current Pick installation, you say there's a command to set the flavor? Is there a way to list all commands and then something like a 'man' command? My only reference is the Sisk tutorial though I have bought the O'Reilly Pick book which should be arriving any day now- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you have on line access to the Universe Account then you have access to the current manual and a more or less incomplete Help system.. Robert, I have available only Universe Shell and Universe Control Panel. UCP has Universe Resource Service. Is it through the URS that I get access to the manual? And how do I do that? |
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Hi Bob, Let's start from the beginning ... The following explanations use UV 10.1 and some of the names may have changed with the transition to Rocket Software rather than IBM. Start > Programs > IBM U2 > UniAdmin > UniAdmin starts the administration utility. You may need to set up the server first using Connect > New. Use 127.0.0.1 for the server name, define it as UniVerse and then click on Register. Then double-click on the server in the list of servers, enter your username and password, and you should see the tree of actions available within the administrator. Double-click on accounts, and you should open a window showing the accounts already defined on the system. Select an account, and click on the detail button. That will show (amongst other things) what flavour the account is. You can't change it here - you set it when you create the account (but I'm sure there is some way to change it after the creation). I'd suggest creating a new account set to PICK flavour so you can try that. User manuals should be at Start > Programs > IBM U2 > ??? - if you've installed them. If you haven't got them, they are available at:http://www..rocketsoftware.com/u2/re...urces/universe You mention UniVerse Shell and UniVerse control panel. UniVerse control panel literally just starts and stops the UniVerse services - nothing else. UniVerse Shell is extremely limited - it is intended for basic administrative tasks only, and not as a real client. You really need other client software. The basic choice is to use Dynamic Connect (part of the UniVerse clients package), but you would be better off downloading a copy of AccuTerm and requesting a personal licence. You'll then need to configure whichever client (terminal emulator) you use to talk to the UniVerse server. Check which port the UVTelnet server is using in UniAdmin (under Network Services) and configure your client to use that port. After that, you should be able to log onto the UniVerse account that you created using UniAdmin. The alternative way to create an account (I think) is simply to create a folder with Windows Explorer, and then in UV: LOGTO folderlocation UniVerse should then prompt you along the lines of: This location is not set up as a UV account. Do you want to create an account? And it will probably prompt you for the flavour as well. Hopefully, that will get you started. The OpenQM books I referred you to earlier will step you through much of this basic installation and much of that is relevant to UniVerse. Cheers, Brian PS I'm from NZ but live in the UK PPS O'Reilly have a PICK book??? Does anyone here know that? On 31/01/2011 3:11 p.m., Bob wrote: Here's the context of my explorations into Pick/Universe. I'm probably will be interviewed for a position that advertised as using Pick/ Universe/Basic. The flavor of Pick is out of my control. (Brian, are you from NZ or England?, I noticed you used 'flavour'). Your answers have confirmed what I was suspecting however. In my current Pick installation, you say there's a command to set the flavor? Is there a way to list all commands and then something like a 'man' command? My only reference is the Sisk tutorial though I have bought the O'Reilly Pick book which should be arriving any day now- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you have on line access to the Universe Account then you have access to the current manual and a more or less incomplete Help system.. Robert, I have available only Universe Shell and Universe Control Panel. UCP has Universe Resource Service. Is it through the URS that I get access to the manual? And how do I do that? |
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