Hello,
I'm trying to get some a couple of documents from Jet that was created
in a Mentor in the late 90's. The system got converted to Universe NT,
but Jet was never activated not converted. The files where just moved
over.

I noticed that there are DICTs and data files. Some of the DICTs are
pretty large. My question is where I must look for the documents to
extract the data. I plan on using a hex editor to piece the documents
back.

PS. I know that Tony Gravagno has a utility to convert, but management
wants to keep it in house and doesn't want to pay for it. Sorry Tony. I
already tried.

Peter

mdsi2000 wrote:
Those were Doc-U-Mentor files, then, not JET files, but they should
be pretty similar.

You should be able to get JET on uniVerse, AFAIK.

For a JET installation, you'd look for files with "JET" or "TW" in
their names. Can't speak to Doc-U-Mentor files, I'm afraid, but if
you can write a utility to look in all the items in all the files in
an account, you might be able to identify them by examining each line
(attribute) and looking for those that start with leading backslash
("\") character. (Assuming Doc-U-Mentor uses the same standard as
JET.)

Should not be necessary, as the documents should be plain text, with
the exception of some special characters, e.g. x'FD' for soft eol,
x'F0' for tab, etc. Not clear to me what you plan to do with the
documents, though... what does "piece back" mean?

So the people in house _don't_ get paid for the time they spend? =`8^o
Interesting concept. If I'd known about that, I might still be a small
business owner! =`;^>

Peter: what is the significance of the Subject line, anyway? ='8^O
"JET" + "dead" in the same breath = disconcerting (to me, at least!)

--
frosty aka JET

Sorry about the misleading subject. As I was typing my thoughts changed
from what I wrote in the subject. I was trying to see if JET was still
around.

I do see files with a TW. I'll look at them more closely to see what is
in there.

Thanks.

frosty wrote:

"frosty" <frostyj (AT) bogus (DOT) tld> wrote

That's how I remember it too, John. It was an implementation of the
mid-80's version of JET. ADDS just replaced the "JET" in the commands with
"DOC" (so 'jet-in' = 'doc-in', etc) and embedded the ABS frames into the o/s
distribution. The only special part is the formatting from the embedded
rulers, so if these documents have lots of fancy tab formatting that needs
to be preserved, then this could be fun to re-create - but the raw text
should just be ASCII chars. Hard line feeds are attribute marks, soft line
feeds are value marks, and rulers are in their own attributes.

If you don't need the positioning, just strip out the rulers (i.e., delete
those attributes) and run an OCONV with 'MCP' conversion and you should get
fairly readable text, with strange. placement. . of periods.. . Come to
think of it, you could convert periods to something printable, like say
tilde (~) before the OCONV, then run the MCP conversion, replace periods
with spaces (convert "." to " " in text) then trim and finish up with a
convert for tilde to period (convert "~" to "." in text) and it should look
fairly decent.

BFaux-

I had downloaded a copy of a Pick Basic program that someone had
written the worked as a JET-OUT replacement. It would output to the
screen or the printer. I have used it to the screen in a telnet
session and then copied the screen and pasted it into word and
converted the documents that way. I was only doing a few documents not
lots.

You should be able to find it by using Google to search this group for
"JET-OUT replacement".

Matt

mdsi2000 wrote:

mdsi2000 wrote:


They already are paying for it. And in the end, it may well cost them
more.

The "re-inventing the wheel" mentality always amazes me.

--
Kevin Powick

I've seen it come from NIH (Not Invented Here) and from managers
who have their own interests ahead of those of their employers.
I stopped being amazed a long time ago. Nonplussed, maybe even
disgusted, but no longer amazed. I'll put $20 USD on "will cost
them more." =`:^p

--
frosty

"frosty" <frostyj (AT) bogus (DOT) tld> wrote

Peter McMurray

mdsi2000 wrote:
I don't think you get the joke. JET stands for John Emil Treankler, the
creator of the JET word processor. And Frosty = John Emil Treankler.

So you see why a dead JET would be an upsetting thought for Frosty. ;^)

HTH,
Luke

Peter, I appreciate the thought - we win some and lose others. I just
wrote and deleted a LOT of reasons why ConnectingFlight has value but
I can't argue with a "we aren't going to pay for it" position. If and
when you see your company spending a lot of money to do something
manually and repetitively, tell your management that I offer free
proof-of-concept samples, conversion rates are ridiculously cheap, all
of our clients have been pleased with their conversions, and I do sign
non-disclosure and non-competition agreements. I don't care about
your data, I just want your docs to look good and be maintainable -
something you certainly don't have now. What's unfortunate is that by
trying to save money they might spend a great deal - the first part in
a failed manual conversion effort and the second much smaller part to
just pay me to do it anyway.

Good luck.
Tony


"mdsi2000" <mdsi2000 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: