A current Spectrum Magazine (Jul/Aug 2011) article indirectly touches
on many topics discussed here, and echoes my often expressed
sentiments exactly.

The whole thing is worth quoting but you can read it here:
http://bit.ly/nK0Pgw

If you get the message, you should be motivated. If you don't get the
message, you may be offended, but then just remember, you've missed
something.

Right on, Clif!
T

On 2011-08-12 02:26:31 -0400, Tony Gravagno
<tony_gravagno (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> said:
Excellent article.

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Kevin Powick

One of the few times Tony and I agree.

If you or you clients have not started on the road to GUI you better get started or your multi-value client or job will be no more.

See a blog at http://u2logic.blogspot.com/ about one of U2logic's customersand how we evolved from just a programming shop to one that supplies tools.. These tools only work for Unidata and Universe databases. There is a WebDeveloper, Object Editor, UniBasic editor, Dictionary Editor, and softwareinstaller all running as Eclipse plug-ins. Oh, I forgot about our Resizerthat is so cheap, I did say cheap, that you won't believe it.

See: http://www.u2logic.com/tools.html for more information.

doug
www.u2logic.com
"Home of the 100% Web Applications"

"daverch (AT) gmail (DOT) com" wrote:

Doug, I don't think we disagree on much.

I just take exception to completely off-topic ads that have no place
in a discussion. The one below is a fine example to add to your huge
collection. Specifically, you open with being "on the road to GUI",
entirely in-line with the topic. But you use that to segue to an ad
for using your GUI for editing BASIC programs that have nothing to do
with GUI, mobile development, IT/user relations, Clif's article, or
anything else related to the topic.

Bottom feeders suck. I'm sure we agree on that too.

T

GUI? Really? Are we talking about GUI development tools or are we
talking about GUI applications? If you're suggesting that we need to
renew our focus on GUI apps, then Doug, my friend, allow me to invite
you into this decade. The web is the only future that matters.

On Aug 13, 10:03*am, Kevin King <precisonl... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Hi
It certainly makes Ross's Visage a far-sighted decision.
However it does miss a couple of points.
Terminal emulation screens represent major benefits in speed and
centralised control for standard data entry jobs. Selling the concept
has been poor.
RD/TL have been advising developers to switch to small subroutines
that the interactive web requires for many years now.
A lot of people feel safer with the one large program concept and that
is a big mind shift that is required.
I have made it recently now all I have to do is sell it. Ah! there is
that nasty word again Marketing which no one can live without but
small shops cannot afford.
There is no one answer fits all unfortunately.
Goodbye GUI hello phone apps that fit into larger web environments.
Peter McMurray

Peter, I understand and hear you on all counts. And admittedly I
oversold the point to hopefully spur on the discussion. But while we
all understand the dramatic level of shifts required for such a
change, that's certainly no reason to delay starting down the path.

You're right that one answer does not fit all. So we try it all. Or
we don't. And let the future decide which approach is better.

Really Kevin, GUI means "...the use of graphic icons and a pointing device to control a computer". (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ser_interface).

Whether you are writing on the Web or using a .NET client or whatever, it is a GUI. Sometimes our code for the Web is called RIA which means Rich Internet Application. We been doing the web applications since 1999. Can you say the same? I think not!

Doug
www.u2logic.com
"Doing 100% Web applications programming for U2"

On 8/12/11 1:52 PM, daverch (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:
The enterprise app I work on has been web-based since the
last freakin' millenium. How many green screen apps can
be left out there?

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frosty

On 8/12/11 6:03 PM, Kevin King wrote:
What he said.

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frosty