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Cliff
 
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Default Re: D3(NT) vs D3/AIX - your thoughts - 03-31-2006 , 06:18 PM







mabosa wrote:
Quote:
Our business uses an enterprise supply chain management app that runs
on D3/AIX. The app has worked well for years, but the AIX server is
aging and is being considered for replacement. The IBM VAR is quoting
a replacement AIX server that is thousands more than a similar
size/speed Win server. It also seems that there is more development
and tools available for D3(NT) than D3/AIX, that D3/AIX just isn't
getting the attention from Raining Data (among others). I'm
considering jumping to the Dark Side (Win), buying a D3(NT) server,
converting to D3(NT), etc. Your thoughts - good, bad, and assuming .
. no one is indifferent on this subject. Thanks.
I had several customers on D3/AIX and D3/SCO (a unix product no longer
offered by RD) and had no problems with them. When D3/SCO was
discontinued we installed D3/NT systems at these sites and almost
immediately started experiencing problems with the system.

During this time our largest customers stayed on D3/AIX and had no
problems at all.

Over the years RD has worked on stablizing the product and resolving
the issues that our customers had. Although the one of their rescent
releases (7.4.5) had major stability issues. They were able to resolve
these on 7.4.6 but it took some time.

All in all, I believe that the D3/Linux and D3/AIX products are a more
stable solution than the D3/NT route. Most any tool that you can use
on D3/NT will also work on AIX. Also, keep in mind that if you are
thinking of writing Windows applications that access the database this
can still be done via ODBC to the AIX database with no problems.

Hope this helps.

Cliff



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Default Re: D3(NT) vs D3/AIX - your thoughts - 03-31-2006 , 08:03 PM






Hi
I have found some of these answers quite fascinating.
In my experience the greatest thing we ever did was go to D3NT. Properly
setup it ran with no problems like a greased rocket. The memory leakage was
a very minor issue on a 35 user box requiring a 2 minute restore every
couple of years.
On the other hand the biggest disaster we ever had was OA on an Edge Unix
box closely followed by D3 on a SCO box. Sco was totally unreliable and
totally unfixable - yes we called in the experts ranging from a Pick/SCO
specialist VAR at great expense to the local Carpetland oops sorry
Computerland gurus. The best thing we ever did was dump SCO permanently and
forever.
The site that suffered the most from this has happily moved through NT,
Windows 2000 and now Windows 2003. On the way we have gone seamlessly to
Citrix with offices statewide running something like 17 or 20 printers and
downloading from unattended remote sites.
D3 NT rocks.
Regards
Peter McMurray




"John Bend" <spam (AT) itstuff (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
mabosa wrote:
Our business uses an enterprise supply chain management app that runs
on D3/AIX. The app has worked well for years, but the AIX server is
aging and is being considered for replacement. The IBM VAR is quoting
a replacement AIX server that is thousands more than a similar
size/speed Win server. It also seems that there is more development
and tools available for D3(NT) than D3/AIX, that D3/AIX just isn't
getting the attention from Raining Data (among others). I'm
considering jumping to the Dark Side (Win), buying a D3(NT) server,
converting to D3(NT), etc. Your thoughts - good, bad, and assuming .
. no one is indifferent on this subject. Thanks.


Hi.

Be advised that D3/NT is not D3 ported over to Windows, it is a fairly
different beast. You should be clear of your reasons to migrate and
undertake thorough application testing before you commit.

In 1999 the fortune of my company rested on a 32 user D3/NT box running
my unique local government application. With no competing product it
seemed that success was in the bag. However faced with memory leaks,
stalled telnet sessions and daily reboots the customer decided to stop
using it and I lost my business. Later when I started work with Disys I
encountered customers running D3/Linux boxes that had not been switched
off in five years. This surely speaks volumes.

Since then it is fair to say that the waters have muddied somewhat and
now the issue is not so clear cut. Windows XP is much more stable than
Windows NT and Red Hat 9 Linux has some issues of it's own.

If my business (or my job) depended on it then I would choose a
commercially supported Unix/Linux type operating system to host a
database. For developing software on my laptop I used to use D3/NT but
since my license expired now use UniVision on Windows XP.

Hope this helps.


John



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Default Re: D3(NT) vs D3/AIX - your thoughts - 03-31-2006 , 10:56 PM



On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:03:22 GMT, "Excalibur"
<excalibur21 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
Hi
I have found some of these answers quite fascinating.
In my experience the greatest thing we ever did was go to D3NT. Properly
setup it ran with no problems like a greased rocket. The memory leakage was
a very minor issue on a 35 user box requiring a 2 minute restore every
couple of years.
Ah, yes. When NT crosses the equator on its trip southward to
Godzone, it gradually gets turned upside down and all the loose bits
fall off.... <g>

We've (our customers included) never had any NT problems, either, but
that's NT for UV and, now, OpenQM. Most NT sites seem to like a
re-boot every now and then.... We do ours monthly... Takes all of 2 or
3 minutes...

The NT thing has been a constant part of my life since the mid 90's
and I've never felt the urge to go away from it, although now we're
talking mostly XP/Pro, W2k and W2003, but there's still a few NT's out
there.... they keep ducking below the desk every time I walk in....
..

Regards,

Bruce Nichol
Talon Computer Services
ALBURY NSW Australia

http://www.taloncs.com.au

If it ain't broke, fix it until it is....


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Default Re: D3(NT) vs D3/AIX - your thoughts - 04-01-2006 , 03:57 AM



You are correct...

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"Art" <artmartz (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com> wrote

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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:25:30 +0100, Simon Verona wrote:

No - UniVision comes from an Mentor (mvBASE) background

Simon

I'm quite familiar with Universe and it's compatibility flags for Prime,
D3, etc. When I think Mentor, I think of the Adds Mentor, which is more of
a Pick (OA?) branch.

Art




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Default Re: D3(NT) vs D3/AIX - your thoughts - 04-01-2006 , 09:12 AM



Have you looked at the new IBM P5 185 box
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/p/hardware/entry/185/

We will have one in a few weeks and will be loading OpenQM on Debian on
it but D3 on Red Hat or SuSE should work great as well and if you
compare feature for feature and spec for spec, the IBM box is cheaper
than a windoze box. Are you making sure also that you configure a
tapedrive of sorts into your new system? There was again another post
recently, on slashdot I believe, about only relying on tape for
archival purposes.

Henry Keultjes
Mansfield Ohio UA


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Default Re: D3(NT) vs D3/AIX - your thoughts - 04-01-2006 , 09:15 PM



I don't believe it's correct that there are more tools available for
D3NT than D3/*nix. What you're probably seeing is that there are more
GUI and connectivity tools available for Windows (.NET, etc) but these
all connect to D3 over any OS. Be sure you clearly separate client,
middle-tier, and server when you're thinking about topology.

About performance: Many years ago, RISC was considered superior
technology but I have no idea if that's true anymore with
hyperthreading, dual core, and other modern "PC" CPU optimizations.
IBM tends to get more horsepower for AIX boxes by adding more CPUs.
It would be interesting to see benchmark comparisons to get some real
numbers in MIPS, but the problem is that PC (Intel/AMD) benchmarks
won't run over AIX and vice versa.

As mentioned by others, D3NT is definitely not the same as your D3AIX
and I would recommend migrating to D3Linux if you just want to get
away from big iron and OS costs. Lack of noise about AIX isn't
necessarily a bad thing. You probably don't hear a lot about D3AIX
for two main reasons. First, AIX is rock stable and always has been
the most stable platform for D3. It doesn't change radically like
Linux and doesn't require vendors like RD to endure a perpetual
development cycle to keep up with changes. Second, AIX sites are much
less vocal than Linux sites. It seems companies that pay for their
software are much more apt to quietly address their needs via business
channels than those who clammor in public forums about how everything
should be free. The exception to this is with some AIX (DG, HP) sites
that have migrated to Linux, where the quieter business mentality
still prevails. Larger Linux sites generally don't do a lot of boat
rocking unless something is really wrong like disk or memory
management.

If you are looking to get more out of your OS, there are more tools
available for Linux these days than AIX, simply because of the whole
OSS movement. Again back on topology, you need to think about what
you want out of your IT/IS resources, and then decide if IBM or
third-party vendors can provide that for AIX within your time and
budget requirements. You can also consider your D3AIX box to be
nothing more than an data/application server, and host all of your
other tools in separate boxes. (Easier said than done but a good
approach.)

D3NT has had several rocky years of growth. Some people swear by it
while others swear at it. The new D3NT 7.5 (in Beta) has a lot of
major changes that may be of interest to a lot of sites. I'd
recommend waiting until this release goes production and goes through
a couple patch cycles before deciding whether you want to switch to NT
or not. I believe this release will help to define where RD is going
with this platform.

HTH
Tony Gravagno, questionably indifferent,
former D3 Product Manager and other useless titles.
TG@ removethisNebula-RnD.com


"mabosa" wrote:

Quote:
Our business uses an enterprise supply chain management app that runs
on D3/AIX. The app has worked well for years, but the AIX server is
aging and is being considered for replacement. The IBM VAR is quoting
a replacement AIX server that is thousands more than a similar
size/speed Win server. It also seems that there is more development
and tools available for D3(NT) than D3/AIX, that D3/AIX just isn't
getting the attention from Raining Data (among others). I'm
considering jumping to the Dark Side (Win), buying a D3(NT) server,
converting to D3(NT), etc. Your thoughts - good, bad, and assuming .
. no one is indifferent on this subject. Thanks.


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