Bob Little wrote:
One-stepping through debug isn't done in a vacuum. That is, your
knowledge of the program isn't completely limited to the one line you
happen to be looking at. If you're on line 105, use a command like
L90-115 to see the lines above and below where you are. You will
easily see all of the lines about to be executed after 105. If you
don't want do do that, open the program source in ED, WED, UP, VI, or
any other editor, or print a hardcopy.

Lighten up guys. These tools aren't perfect but we've been
workingwith them for 20-odd years and they probably aren't going to
change much - get use to them already.

For reference, if you're using AccuTerm it's very convenient if your
keyboard is programmed with UPdate processor key sequences (see
PickSource.com for a keymap). So ctrl-n is replaced logically with
the down-arrow and ctrl-j is replaced with a left-arrow (logical for
UPdate, not so much for ED).

T

Tony Gravagno wrote:
Basic debugger (both during the Ultimate OS period and the UltPlus days)
did what I mentioned back in the 80s, why can't D3 do it now?

sometimes - even if it's a change for the worse. Go figure.

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Bob Little
Graphik Dimensions, Ltd.
High Point, NC

Glen B wrote:
Wilmington is a cool place. Unless there's a Rita or an Isabel coming
to visit.


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Graphik Dimensions, Ltd.
High Point, NC

Bob Little wrote:
The development teams for these platforms were different, the market
demand was different, and back in the 80's when Ultimate was big there
was much more incentive for a licensee to differentiate. These days
there are no licensees and the market prefers to make demands in
public forums rather than asking the vendor directly for changes.
Even if action items were filed with RD now, I doubt that major
changes would be made to the BASIC debugger, it's not the sort of
change that will bring in new income. (I can feel people stirring in
their seats but that's the world we live in.)

I'm a creature of habit in many ways too - in this case we've had
about 15 years to acclimate ... hardly unreasonable.

Looking at this thread an idea was refreshed that I haven't had in a
long time. I don't think it would be amazingly hard to write a GUI
front-end to the debugger which showed a normal screen in one pane and
debugger status in another, with variables, code lines, etc. It's
just a matter of knowing when to turn on/off screen capture and then
displaying the right pieces in the right pane. Unfortunately I doubt
anyone would pay for such a thing, and here we are again with
innovation in our market being stiffled because people will insist on
everything being free. Now I remember why I forgot about this in the
first place.

T

Bob Little wrote:

We need Chandru in on this thread, because he had a part in the rewrite
of the Ultimate debugger. David Rose also played a large role.

Luke