Blast from the past for older Oz Pickers

#1

I noticed the following article in shm.com.au and thought it may be of
interest to other Australian members of the group who have been around
for a while.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...390224389.html

Cheers,

Brett Monten

#2

Actually, the article says,
"...now largely forgotten..."

--
frosty

Glen B wrote:

Quote:

Is that new-fangled CSR system running MV? If not, I dunno if I'd
want to promote that as a Pick article. <G
"Now long forgotten operating system called Pick." Who wants to
start the barrage of e-mails? heh

Glen

"Electric Monk" <google (AT) theveine (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1178685285.029587.21120 (AT) w5g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I noticed the following article in shm.com.au and thought it may be
of interest to other Australian members of the group who have been
around for a while.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...390224389.html

Cheers,

Brett Monten

#3

"Glen B" <no$pamwebmaster@no$pamforallspec.com> wrote

Quote:

Is that new-fangled CSR system running MV? If not, I dunno if I'd want to
promote that as a Pick article. <G
"Now long forgotten operating system called Pick." Who wants to start the
barrage of e-mails? heh

Glen
Consider it done. Graeme (AT) philipson (DOT) info and letters (AT) smh (DOT) com.au .Note that

they do get 400+ emails a day so getting printed may be hard.
Peter McMurray

Quote:

"Electric Monk" <google (AT) theveine (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1178685285.029587.21120 (AT) w5g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I noticed the following article in shm.com.au and thought it may be of
interest to other Australian members of the group who have been around
for a while.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...390224389.html

Cheers,

Brett Monten

#4

On May 9, 6:50 pm, "Peter McMurray" <excalibur21 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

"Glen B" <no$pamwebmaster@no$pamforallspec.com> wrote in message

news:5cedncpJcNLqddzbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...

Is that new-fangled CSR system running MV? If not, I dunno if I'd want to
promote that as a Pick article. <G
"Now long forgotten operating system called Pick." Who wants to start the
barrage of e-mails? heh

Glen

Consider it done.

I sent one in too. Two letters does not a barrage make, however, so
hopefully others will too. --dawn

Quote:

Graeme (AT) philipson (DOT) info and letters (AT) smh (DOT) com.au .Note that
they do get 400+ emails a day so getting printed may be hard.
Peter McMurray

"Electric Monk" <google (AT) theveine (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1178685285.029587.21120 (AT) w5g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I noticed the following article in shm.com.au and thought it may be of
interest to other Australian members of the group who have been around
for a while.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...390224389.html

Cheers,

Brett Monten- Hide quoted text -

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#5

Hi Dawn
Mr Philipson is mighty touchy. Totally explosive in fact terribly miffed
that one should suggest that he was wrong. He then went on to say that he
could find no reference to Pick on your site so I have suggested that he try
the the first blog " Is Codd Dead ". Perhaps
Graeme Philipson
Research Director

Connection Research
does not know how to use the search facility in Explorer.

Peter McMurray

"dawn" <dawnwolthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On May 9, 6:50 pm, "Peter McMurray" <excalibur21 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:
"Glen B" <no$pamwebmaster@no$pamforallspec.com> wrote in message

news:5cedncpJcNLqddzbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...

Is that new-fangled CSR system running MV? If not, I dunno if I'd want
to
promote that as a Pick article. <G
"Now long forgotten operating system called Pick." Who wants to start
the
barrage of e-mails? heh

Glen

Consider it done.

I sent one in too. Two letters does not a barrage make, however, so
hopefully others will too. --dawn

Graeme (AT) philipson (DOT) info and letters (AT) smh (DOT) com.au .Note that
they do get 400+ emails a day so getting printed may be hard.
Peter McMurray

"Electric Monk" <google (AT) theveine (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1178685285.029587.21120 (AT) w5g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I noticed the following article in shm.com.au and thought it may be of
interest to other Australian members of the group who have been around
for a while.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...390224389.html

Cheers,

Brett Monten- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

#6

Hi All
I have had further correspondence with Mr Philipson and he has definitely
put us straight :-)

"It's not Pick! If it were so, the users of the products that have evolved
from it would call it such"

"Why are you guys hiding from your past?"

He kindly included an article that he wrote in 1994 to verify his claim and
"Perhaps it will fill in some obvious gaps in your own knowledge"

Funnily enough the only person that he quoted was Amanda Miles. Many of us
will remember the delightful sales person from Vmark. I learned two very
important things from Amanda - Spending several hours in one's office with
an intelligent, tall blonde discussing the replacement of Unidata with
Universe is not only very pleasant it does wonders for the corporate
visibility of a non-descript mid fifties analyst. Also never accept shares
as payment if you cannot trade them on the open market - come the take-over
Amanda was told that her share scrip was not worth the paper it was printed
on.

Funnily enough I have learned something useful from Mr Philipson as well.
He has an excellent Spam Killer www.Totalblock.net

Unfortunately I feel that he is misguided and have pointed out that I agree
with Dick Pick and included a quotation from the Advanced Pick introduction.

"Pick Systems has provided a state-of-the-art operating system which is
portable to many different hardware configurations, giving the user the most
up-to-date system level capabilities, plus the ability to upgrade hardware
without the fear of redeveloping software."

Peter McMurray
"dawn" <dawnwolthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

On May 9, 6:50 pm, "Peter McMurray" <excalibur21 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:
"Glen B" <no$pamwebmaster@no$pamforallspec.com> wrote in message

news:5cedncpJcNLqddzbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...

Is that new-fangled CSR system running MV? If not, I dunno if I'd want
to
promote that as a Pick article. <G
"Now long forgotten operating system called Pick." Who wants to start
the
barrage of e-mails? heh

Glen

Consider it done.

I sent one in too. Two letters does not a barrage make, however, so
hopefully others will too. --dawn

Graeme (AT) philipson (DOT) info and letters (AT) smh (DOT) com.au .Note that
they do get 400+ emails a day so getting printed may be hard.
Peter McMurray

"Electric Monk" <google (AT) theveine (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1178685285.029587.21120 (AT) w5g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I noticed the following article in shm.com.au and thought it may be of
interest to other Australian members of the group who have been around
for a while.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...390224389.html

Cheers,

Brett Monten- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

#7

On May 11, 2:36 pm, "Peter McMurray" <excalibu... (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Hi All
I have had further correspondence with Mr Philipson and he has definitely
put us straight :-)

"It's not Pick! If it were so, the users of the products that have evolved
from it would call it such"

"Why are you guys hiding from your past?"

He kindly included an article that he wrote in 1994 to verify his claim and
"Perhaps it will fill in some obvious gaps in your own knowledge"

Funnily enough the only person that he quoted was Amanda Miles. Many of us
will remember the delightful sales person from Vmark. I learned two very
important things from Amanda - Spending several hours in one's office with
an intelligent, tall blonde discussing the replacement of Unidata with
Universe is not only very pleasant it does wonders for the corporate
visibility of a non-descript mid fifties analyst. Also never accept shares
as payment if you cannot trade them on the open market - come the take-over
Amanda was told that her share scrip was not worth the paper it was printed
on.

Funnily enough I have learned something useful from Mr Philipson as well.
He has an excellent Spam Killerwww.Totalblock.net

Unfortunately I feel that he is misguided and have pointed out that I agree
with Dick Pick and included a quotation from the Advanced Pick introduction.

"Pick Systems has provided a state-of-the-art operating system which is
portable to many different hardware configurations, giving the user the most
up-to-date system level capabilities, plus the ability to upgrade hardware
without the fear of redeveloping software."

Peter McMurray"dawn" <dawnwolth... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

news:1178770972.439686.310450 (AT) p77g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com...

On May 9, 6:50 pm, "Peter McMurray" <excalibu... (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:
"Glen B" <no$pamwebmaster@no$pamforallspec.com> wrote in message

news:5cedncpJcNLqddzbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...

Is that new-fangled CSR system running MV? If not, I dunno if I'd want
to
promote that as a Pick article. <G
"Now long forgotten operating system called Pick." Who wants to start
the
barrage of e-mails? heh

Glen

Consider it done.

I sent one in too. Two letters does not a barrage make, however, so
hopefully others will too. --dawn

Gra... (AT) philipson (DOT) info and lett... (AT) smh (DOT) com.au .Note that
they do get 400+ emails a day so getting printed may be hard.
Peter McMurray

"Electric Monk" <goo... (AT) theveine (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1178685285.029587.21120 (AT) w5g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I noticed the following article in shm.com.au and thought it may be of
interest to other Australian members of the group who have been around
for a while.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...390224389.html

Cheers,

Brett Monten- Hide quoted text -

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Don't go too hard - he mentioned Pick because it was part of AWA's
history. The article wasn't about the community or the operating
system/database. Getting a senior journo thinking we are a bunch of
over-sensitive people living in the 80's doesn't serve the community
any good at all.
Maybe a few well worded emails from our leading lights highlighting
MV's evolution since the Pick days and some current success stories
might get him interested in a positive way?

cheers,

Brett

#8

On May 11, 12:58 am, Electric Monk <goo... (AT) theveine (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On May 11, 2:36 pm, "Peter McMurray" <excalibu... (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:

Hi All
I have had further correspondence with Mr Philipson and he has definitely
put us straight :-)

"It's not Pick! If it were so, the users of the products that have evolved
from it would call it such"

"Why are you guys hiding from your past?"

He kindly included an article that he wrote in 1994 to verify his claim and
"Perhaps it will fill in some obvious gaps in your own knowledge"

Funnily enough the only person that he quoted was Amanda Miles. Many of us
will remember the delightful sales person from Vmark. I learned two very
important things from Amanda - Spending several hours in one's office with
an intelligent, tall blonde discussing the replacement of Unidata with
Universe is not only very pleasant it does wonders for the corporate
visibility of a non-descript mid fifties analyst. Also never accept shares
as payment if you cannot trade them on the open market - come the take-over
Amanda was told that her share scrip was not worth the paper it was printed
on.

Funnily enough I have learned something useful from Mr Philipson as well.
He has an excellent Spam Killerwww.Totalblock.net

Unfortunately I feel that he is misguided and have pointed out that I agree
with Dick Pick and included a quotation from the Advanced Pick introduction.

"Pick Systems has provided a state-of-the-art operating system which is
portable to many different hardware configurations, giving the user the most
up-to-date system level capabilities, plus the ability to upgrade hardware
without the fear of redeveloping software."

Peter McMurray"dawn" <dawnwolth... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

news:1178770972.439686.310450 (AT) p77g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com...

On May 9, 6:50 pm, "Peter McMurray" <excalibu... (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> wrote:
"Glen B" <no$pamwebmaster@no$pamforallspec.com> wrote in message

news:5cedncpJcNLqddzbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com...

Is that new-fangled CSR system running MV? If not, I dunno if I'd want
to
promote that as a Pick article. <G
"Now long forgotten operating system called Pick." Who wants to start
the
barrage of e-mails? heh

Glen

Consider it done.

I sent one in too. Two letters does not a barrage make, however, so
hopefully others will too. --dawn

Gra... (AT) philipson (DOT) info and lett... (AT) smh (DOT) com.au .Note that
they do get 400+ emails a day so getting printed may be hard.
Peter McMurray

"Electric Monk" <goo... (AT) theveine (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1178685285.029587.21120 (AT) w5g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I noticed the following article in shm.com.au and thought it may be of
interest to other Australian members of the group who have been around
for a while.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/...390224389.html

Cheers,

Brett Monten- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't go too hard - he mentioned Pick because it was part of AWA's
history. The article wasn't about the community or the operating
system/database. Getting a senior journo thinking we are a bunch of
over-sensitive people living in the 80's doesn't serve the community
any good at all.
Maybe a few well worded emails from our leading lights highlighting
MV's evolution since the Pick days and some current success stories
might get him interested in a positive way?

cheers,

Brett- Hide quoted text -

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He sent me a nice response including a piece he did on Pick in 1994.
He said he might do another at some point. --dawn

#9

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Quote:

Don't go too hard - he mentioned Pick because it was part of AWA's
history. The article wasn't about the community or the operating
system/database. Getting a senior journo thinking we are a bunch of
over-sensitive people living in the 80's doesn't serve the community
any good at all.
Maybe a few well worded emails from our leading lights highlighting
MV's evolution since the Pick days and some current success stories
might get him interested in a positive way?

cheers,

Brett
Hi
He is the one that came in like a raging bull. I listed some of the current

Pick successes from U2 through Cache to D3 and QM and got a tirade about it
not being Pick. I referred him to Dawn's site and he said it did not
mention Pick. He sent the article and I suggested he do a more modern one
demonstrating his knowledge of Pick now. Apparently I impugned his
professionalism by saying that he was wrong in suggesting that Pick was
forgotten.
Peter McMurray

#10

Peter McMurray wrote:

Quote:

He is the one that came in like a raging bull. I listed some of the current
Pick successes from U2 through Cache to D3 and QM and got a tirade about it
not being Pick. I referred him to Dawn's site and he said it did not
mention Pick. He sent the article and I suggested he do a more modern one
demonstrating his knowledge of Pick now. Apparently I impugned his
professionalism by saying that he was wrong in suggesting that Pick was
forgotten.

Did nobody notice two important key words "Operating System"? Pick as an
O/S has been a dead and buried for lo these many years, barring only a
few small shops with ancient boxes stuck here and there.

In any case, be honest. If he'd substituted the word "largely" for
"long", he'd still be right, even if he was talking about MV databases
generally. Even at the height of its popularity, Pick was a
much-overlooked technology.

Luke