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Rick Kann
 
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Default Re: Best version of Pick for a laptop? - 03-18-2006 , 06:11 PM






On the other side of things, when I need to make a change to my jbase
app it takes seconds as oppsed to a major task on windows apps such as
adding a report, adding or changing fields, simple subroutines, etc.

My customers love the fact that customization does not take much as
opposed to my competitor running SQL who takes 10 times longer to do the
same tasks.

Rich Kann

BobJ wrote:
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"Rick Weiser" <rickw (AT) designbais (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Bob,

I disagree with you on selling into a non-Pick shop. If you have an
application running PICK and the application is strong, it simply beats
the competion. If the potential customer wants to be in a Relational
DB there are plenty of options in the MV world to get you there.

There are at least 2 (probably more) that support relational files,
jBASE and OnWare. Both are tested and work. So, now you have the
ablilty to sell your legacy application into a varity of databases and
the customer probably doesn't even care that you are using a
middleware product to get there.

This approach opens us old pick guys to markets that we were never able
to get into before which in turn increases the MV marketplace. So,
saying that "I could not in good conscience sell a Pick based system to
a customer who was not already running Pick." is silly when it could
open your application up to customer who would never look at you
before.


Again, just my 2 cents,

Rick


And the DC-3 is still a good airplane. When you are gone and the
customer wants some changes he's going to have some trouble finding someone
who knows how to find the hooks. Yes, even if it were written in VB he
would still have some trouble - but not as much and it wouldn't be as a
result of having bought an obsolete product. There is no question that the
vertical packages that we see on this group are good - perhaps the best.
And there is no question that they are very cost effective. But are you
being fair to a customer who finds himself in a position of not being able
to install on a new version of Windows because there is nobody around who
can make the minor change to jBase or UV or whatever. And are you being
fair to yourself if you don't keep up with the "main stream" whatever that
is. In a way it is self correcting. When a Pick system is fully compatible
with SQL then it IS SQL. It might store the data slightly differently -
read better - but that difference will be the source of heartburn some day.
We all know that Lemmings don't really commit suicide but the "main stream"
world sure looks a lot like the classic image of Lemmings running off the
cliff. That massive stream of little animals is impossible to stop.
Bottom line is simple. We're between a rock and a hard spot.

Two of the more respected members of this group appear to be making the
transition but they (wisely) are not making too much noise about it.
Several others are notable by their absence. They could be flipping burgers
but I suspect that they are building and selling good products using another
platform. Remember the good old days when prospects were very easy to find
and sales were limited by our ability to deliver, install and train. In 1983
we showed an incomplete product in a hotel room at a trade show using a
DataMedia 4mhz computer with 19.2 mb disk - and finished the evening with
five large deposit checks.

I guess I better stop rambling and open VS2005.

BobJ



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Default Re: Best version of Pick for a laptop? - 03-19-2006 , 03:06 AM






And your competitor charges 4 times the amount and so gets paid 40
times the amount and your customers pay his bills - who wins? Looks
like the competitor <grin>


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Default Re: Best version of Pick for a laptop? - 03-19-2006 , 03:12 AM



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I think jBASE will be well on the way
toward regaining it's proper place in this market
Though with Jim now @ Cache, and inroads by products like
Northgate/Reality (read/write to "foreign SQL/ODBC databases out of the
box), plus the extended gestation period of 4.1, some of the original
attractive gloss may have diminished (I wonder if Jim will tout the
benefits of pCode portability of M[v]s compiled code for a specific
target platform ?)



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Default Re: Best version of Pick for a laptop? - 03-19-2006 , 08:14 AM



Actually no, my competitor just tells them he does not make changes so
mine is becoming the leading system in my vertical!

Richard Kann

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And your competitor charges 4 times the amount and so gets paid 40
times the amount and your customers pay his bills - who wins? Looks
like the competitor <grin


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Default Re: Best version of Pick for a laptop? - 03-21-2006 , 01:31 AM



Just cos everybody else has caught up, doesn't diminish how good jBASE
actually is...

It does mean that they need to work to keep ahead now...

Remember much of what makes jBASE now is over 10 years old!

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"Ross Ferris" <rossf (AT) stamina (DOT) com.au> wrote

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I think jBASE will be well on the way
toward regaining it's proper place in this market

Though with Jim now @ Cache, and inroads by products like
Northgate/Reality (read/write to "foreign SQL/ODBC databases out of the
box), plus the extended gestation period of 4.1, some of the original
attractive gloss may have diminished (I wonder if Jim will tout the
benefits of pCode portability of M[v]s compiled code for a specific
target platform ?)




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