Just been messing about with some AJAX stuf. I was reminded of the
FlashConnect demo with the hidden frame for non-flickering page
updates. Yet again the pick guys get there serveral years before
everyone else.

(Actually, I think the concept has been about for ages but Tony's demos
were the first time I bumped into it.)

Been away for a while in J2EE/SQL land but I still lurk from time to
time.

Hope all are well.

Dave P.

davpat00 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote:


Hi Dave, good seeing you again. Thanks for the nod.

(Gab mode activated)

With a semi-gloat I'm happy to say that when I came up with that
hidden frame technique I could find no other reference to the concept
on the net, even in "state of the art" magazines of the day. It was
an original invention, but it was also simply time for that technique
to make its debut, as a lot of non-MV web developers needed that sort
of functionality. Not long after I did the WUC2000 presentation we
started seeing it get wider use in the general web development
industry - no cause/effect relationship implied, again, it was simply
time for many people to develop the same technique.

Two things bother me about those demos.
First, I tried to encourage PS/RD to publish and advertise the
technology as "Pick innovation". While it had nothing to do with
Pick, it was nevertheless a marketing opportunity to draw attention to
our market as a worthy back-end for common web development. Needless
to say no one there "got it", so once again we missed a great FREE
mainstream opportunity to look like industry leaders.
Second, to this day, most Pick people still have no idea about
how the hidden frame technique works even though it's a great solution
for many common web issues and over 5 years later it's in common use
elsewhere. But more than that, the WUC2000 demos showed that
FlashCONNECT is a stable and supported "universal pipe" which can be
used between D3 and any technology that supports HTTP calls -
including other MV environments! I have FC running high-volume
transactions in a system-to-system environment (no browser or other
UI) for one of my clients, and I just wrote a PHP interface to D3
using FC for another client. After all of this time, there are hardly
any VARs doing this, and RD itself doesn't even promote using the tool
in this manner. (You'll note that FC isn't even listed as a
"Connectivity" product on their products page. Putting DUH! in caps
isn't expressive enough. For another round of DUH! note also that the
FC web pages don't even link to the demos. Sure they're five years
old but the techniques they describe are as current today as they were
then, and those pages should be used for product marketing.) For the
do-it-yourselfer, this solution is very inexpensive while being one of
the best connectivity methods available for D3.

Anyway, if you haven't seen them, check out this link:
http://flashconnect.rainingdata.com/wuc2000/index.html
And click on The Demos link for the aforementioned demos. See the
Overview and Requirements and Setup which is required for a couple
demos.

Regards,
Tony
TG@ removethisNebula-RnD
..com

Sounds like it echo's the point I was making in the thread on RD
Financials...

Doesn't sound like RD *see* the concept of marketing beyond the MultiValue
marketplace... From a marketing perspective they would appear to not be
"thinking outside the box"... Long term, I suspect that this will
effectively end up as being suicide for RD..

Regards
Simon

"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote

They seem to be pushing TigerLogic quite hard at the moment. RD ran a
session at JavaOne promoting their SOA repository. That's quite a big
public platform. (It got a mention on theserverside.com and I've seen
it pop up in a couple of blogs.)

Don't know if it's any good but it definitely puts them ahead in the
jargon stakes compared with Cache, JBase, U2 etc.

Well, fingers crossed it gets them somewhere...

Regards
Simon
<davpat00 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote