Can anyone give me the pros/cons of using Accuterm and developing a GUI
front end with it?

I have used Procomm for years as a reliable telnet client and developed a
VB app that I'm just not comfortable with due to MS constantly changing
things. And I am not comfortable with MV Designer due to the different
servers that are required to run for it to run.

Anyone really comfortable with a GUI environment for thier D3/NT
applications? I'm open to just about anything at this point.


Thanks
Mark

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Hi Mark,

We used the AccuTerm GUI for a while.

However, when it came to converting our entire application (hundreds of
programs) to a real GUI environment we needed something more robust.

We chose DesignBais. I highly recommend it.

If you would like to see what we have developed I would be happy to show
you. Contact me at jcaspari [at] labhealth.com

Jeff

"Mark Taylor" <mtaylorx (AT) xlrim (DOT) com> wrote

"Jeff Caspari" <FDFDFDFD (AT) sneakernet (DOT) com.invalid> wrote in
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Thanks for the tip Jeff, but again, DesignBais relies on IIS. I can write
web pages that access the D3 database without the aid of a product like
DesignBais, but I just did not want to rely on MS maintaing compatability
from version to version. I need to know that all will continue to
function flawlessly for years to come, even as products are upgraded.

I suppose it is worth keeping it in mind if I never come across the
perfect solution.

Thanks again.

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Mark wrote:

True

DesignBais is waaaay more than this.

I understand about the MS apprehension, but regardless of the
technology on which you "hang your hat", you will always run some risk
that it isn't "future proof".

If you think about it, MS actually does a pretty good job of supporting
old technology. Even a lot of old DOS apps run on today's latest MS
operating systems. Some of my first Windows/Pick (VB3) apps are
running without problems on XP.

Personally, I wasn't interested in the MS .Net trend, so switched to
Borland's Delphi product after using MS VB (1-6) for many years.

Back to DesignBais (DB) for a moment. After being part of a 2 hour
on-line demo by Tony G, I'm very excited about DB. It will allow us to
give users a nice GUI with the ease of instant "deployment" that a
browser user interface (BUI) does. Plus, it will allow you to retain
much of your existing codebase, reducing the effort and cost of
implementing it.

The biggest problem with a GUI client is deployment, both the initial
rollout, followed by updates, patches, etc. Not to mention a big
investment in writing the clients in the first place.

Everything is a trade off. GUI apps are the most feature rich. Dumb
terminal are probably the most responsive and easiest to deploy, but
lack a great set of visual features. BUI apps are somewhere in
between.

I think AccuTerm is a half-baked approach to providing a GUI client.
It only offers a basic set of GUI features and they look very dated.
There is also no 3rd party integration, which completely shuts the door
on thousands of plug and play tools/components to which you would have
access if you went with something like VB, Delphi, Java, etc.

Tough call, I know. We will continue to use Delphi with D3, jBASE and
OpenQM, but look forward to working with DesignBais -- Selecting the
right client (GUI/BUI) for each situation.

--
Kevin Powick

"Kevin Powick" <kevin (AT) powick (DOT) ca> wrote in
news:1160700534.236517.160130 (AT) i42g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com:

Thanks for that Kevin. One question. Does IIS have to be physically on
the same machine with D3 or can it be on a separate box? That might ease
the pain a little. I just had apprehensions about IIS being on the same
box as the database. And is Win 2K professional enough of an OS to run
the IIS part? It handles the DB just fine, alone. I would be hesitant to
have both on the same box.

Mark

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Mark wrote:

IIS can be on a different box no problem.


Back to your MS problem - i have a similar problem with an 5year old
linux box, that i want to put some new apache features on, but i cant
cos the kernel is too old, and to upgrade the kernel, because it is so
old, would be basically a new linux install i.e. a new operating system
- so it happens in all worlds mate ..


rgds
Symeon.

Mark said,

and then Mark said,


Mark, I apologize if I am using yours words out of context but I think your
sentiments are indicative of why many vars and users are stuck and may "die
on the vine".

In my opinion, waiting for the perfect solution is the worst thing you can
do.

Jeff

The issue with Win2K/WP Pro machines is that IIS is cut down, and (out
of the box) will only support 10 concurrent HTTP connections ... when
the 11th connection comes through it freezes. If you have a form with,
say, 2 frames, and each frame contains 5 images, a single instance can
chew up all of your connections!

Our later Visage installs detect "pro" series boxes and can boost the
number to 40 concurrent connections, which is OK for small user
populations (eg: 3-4 registers in a POS env ironment), but really this
class of machine with IIS is useful only in a development environment
in most situations.




On Oct 13, 12:59 pm, Mark <mtaylor*@*lrim.com> wrote:

Pros

..Intuitive with a VB-lite development environment for creating
the forms and controls.

..Data/Uni/Pick Basic is the tool used for all processing and it
is very stable.

..The cost is not prohibitive and in fact may be the least expensive
in the MV environment.

..Development is active and ongoing and very attentive to the
developers needs.

..Support is superior.


Cons

..Not Available for Linux workstations.

I would suggest downloading the trial and the samples and loading
them into their own account. No cost and the rest should be obvious
with a small amount of modification and testing. If you have worked
with VB and Pick is is fairly easy to catch on quickly. Not so much
of a learning curve and a putting the pieces together curve.

Patrick, <;=)





Mark Taylor wrote:

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Thanks Patrick, that's good info.


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